Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-20 Thread Andrew
Hello: Does anybody see any more problem areas? Pretty much no more polygon problems I think. Or maybe I hope Andrew / CancevImports On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 08:05 -0400, Andrew wrote: > On Mon, 2017-07-17 at 11:27 -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > > > On 2017-07-17 10

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-18 Thread Andrew
On Mon, 2017-07-17 at 11:27 -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 2017-07-17 10:27 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: > > > > > > There is a new layer with this data now in the OSMI: > > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=-64.28033&lat=53.722 > > 07&zoom=8&overlays=same_tags_on_outer_ring > > Th

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-17 Thread Begin Daniel
That is helpful! Thank Jochen Daniel -Original Message- From: Jochen Topf [mailto:joc...@remote.org] Sent: Monday, 17 July, 2017 10:27 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems On Sat, Jul 01, 2017 at 09:52:48AM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: > &g

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-17 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2017-07-17 10:27 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: > > There is a new layer with this data now in the OSMI: > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=-64.28033&lat=53.72207&zoom=8&overlays=same_tags_on_outer_ring Thanks, Jochen! That's very helpful. Looks like CanvecImports cleaned up many of the

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-17 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sat, Jul 01, 2017 at 09:52:48AM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: > > How difficult would it be to add this to OSM inspector? Not everybody has > > Postgres running, and is able to use osm2pgsql. Yes, there is documentation, > > but it requires some technical skills. Also, it would be very convenient to

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-07 Thread Begin Daniel
data on this list. Cheers, Daniel From: Begin Daniel [mailto:jfd...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 3 July, 2017 16:00 To: Alan Richards; Stewart C. Russell Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems Thanks everyone, Stewart sent me an example I can use ☺ Daniel From

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-03 Thread Begin Daniel
Thanks everyone, Stewart sent me an example I can use ☺ Daniel From: Begin Daniel [mailto:jfd...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 3 July, 2017 09:53 To: Alan Richards; Stewart C. Russell Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems If someone could provide me with an

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-03 Thread Begin Daniel
...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 3 July, 2017 00:51 To: Stewart C. Russell Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems Thanks for a good workflow - I cleared up 8 so far pretty quickly around Hope, BC. There's a bunch in a cluster around Merritt too. I'm gue

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-02 Thread Alan Richards
Thanks for a good workflow - I cleared up 8 so far pretty quickly around Hope, BC. There's a bunch in a cluster around Merritt too. I'm guessing it's certain imports or import authors vs others that makes the difference. alarobric On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 2

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-02 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2017-07-02 04:41 PM, Begin Daniel wrote: > > However, since the same translator was used for all the polygons, the > problem should also appear on water bodies, etc. The problem may have > been related to the complexity of the polygons to convert. Hi Daniel - yes, I'm seeing a bunch of water r

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-02 Thread Begin Daniel
://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/9832. -Original Message- From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 1 July, 2017 17:43 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems Hi James, > Canvec 10.0 doesnt have the issues of double tagging, j

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2017-07-01 05:22 PM, Jochen Topf wrote: > > There is nothing specific about woods here. It seems, though, that the root problem in Canada is *mostly* related to woods imported from Canvec. And we have some very large forestry relations indeed. I was finding that the JOSM process was using 13 G

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread James
Depends where you get the data I think, canvec from ftp is different from canvec from toporama/atlas On Jul 1, 2017 5:44 PM, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Hi James, > > > Canvec 10.0 doesnt have the issues of double tagging, just overlapping > > I've found a whole bunch of Canvec 10 data with th

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Stewart C. Russell
Hi James, > Canvec 10.0 doesnt have the issues of double tagging, just overlapping I've found a whole bunch of Canvec 10 data with this problem west of Sudbury. I think it may still be an issue with later versions. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Ta

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sat, Jul 01, 2017 at 04:04:25PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 2017-07-01 04:30 AM, Frank Steggink wrote: > > > > To all, this is the procedure I used yesterday, and probably something > > similar also by Pierre. > > * Not sure if it is a requirement, but it's better to use 64 bit Java.

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2017-07-01 04:30 AM, Frank Steggink wrote: > > To all, this is the procedure I used yesterday, and probably something > similar also by Pierre. > * Not sure if it is a requirement, but it's better to use 64 bit Java. > … Thanks for this, Frank. I think I've found a way to make this a bit quick

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Pierre Béland
s À : Frank Steggink Cc : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Envoyé le : samedi 1 juillet 2017 8h25 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems Error free Québec, just in time for Canada day! Good job Pierre :-) On Jul 1, 2017 4:34 AM, "Frank Steggink" wrote: Hi Jochen, Maybe a MapRoulette

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread James
Error free Québec, just in time for Canada day! Good job Pierre :-) On Jul 1, 2017 4:34 AM, "Frank Steggink" wrote: > Hi Jochen, > > Maybe a MapRoulette challenge might even not be necessary. Yesterday I > started to clean up a bit in Québec, but since it was already past midnight > for me, I wa

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Frank Steggink
Hi Jochen, Maybe a MapRoulette challenge might even not be necessary. Yesterday I started to clean up a bit in Québec, but since it was already past midnight for me, I wanted to continue this morning. To my surprise Pierre has done a lot of work and now the entire province of Québec looks to

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-07-01 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:47:36PM +0200, Frank Steggink wrote: > On 30-06-2017 21:21, Jochen Topf wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 08:16:40PM +0200, Frank Steggink wrote: > > > Maybe I'm not understanding it, but in the OSM inspector [1] I just see > > > one > > > case of old style multipolygon

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Frank Steggink
ss facilities, commerce, fast foods :) Some nordic villages are hundred of km apart. Should we ignore them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=5/56.969/-83.979 regard Pierre *De :* James *À :* Jochen Topf *Cc :* Tal

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
If we have a overpass query that Pierre provided, we can create a maproulette task...then everyone can contribute! I can read up on how to create a task or ask Martjin --- Si nous avons un query overpass que Pierre nous ont fournit, on pourrais créer une tache maproulette...pour que tout le monde

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Frank Steggink
On 30-06-2017 21:21, Jochen Topf wrote: On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 08:16:40PM +0200, Frank Steggink wrote: Maybe I'm not understanding it, but in the OSM inspector [1] I just see one case of old style multipolygon, in Manitoba. Last week, when you posted your original message, I just saw one case i

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Pierre Béland
Cc : Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Envoyé le : vendredi 30 juin 2017 16h04 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems If it's just removing tags, on inner polygons of a multipolygon, that should be manageable in itself... is there a way you are querying for said items without setting up

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
If it's just removing tags, on inner polygons of a multipolygon, that should be manageable in itself... is there a way you are querying for said items without setting up a postgresql database? On Jun 30, 2017 3:57 PM, "James" wrote: > To be fairyour example is from Canvec 4.0.that's reaa

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
To be fairyour example is from Canvec 4.0.that's reaaallly oldwas it possible that was a way of tagging back in the days? Or was it created initially as a polygon and was later converted to a relation? Canvec 10.0 doesnt have the issues of double tagging, just overlapping On J

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 08:16:40PM +0200, Frank Steggink wrote: > Maybe I'm not understanding it, but in the OSM inspector [1] I just see one > case of old style multipolygon, in Manitoba. Last week, when you posted your > original message, I just saw one case in New Brunswick. IIRC, it was a park,

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread john whelan
>>Especially when the only imagery available is Landsat I remember the days when it was trudge out in the rain with the Garmin then upload the GPS traces only to find a straight road was no longer straight because of the wet leaves in the trees above. Cheerio John On 30 June 2017 at 15:03, J

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
Especially when the only imagery available is Landsat On Jun 30, 2017 2:18 PM, "Frank Steggink" wrote: > Hi Jochen, > > Maybe I'm not understanding it, but in the OSM inspector [1] I just see > one case of old style multipolygon, in Manitoba. Last week, when you posted > your original messag

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Frank Steggink
Hi Jochen, Maybe I'm not understanding it, but in the OSM inspector [1] I just see one case of old style multipolygon, in Manitoba. Last week, when you posted your original message, I just saw one case in New Brunswick. IIRC, it was a park, not even from the Canvec import. In the OSM inspect

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Andrew
User canvec_imports here :-)       What would you like me to say? Someone took the approach of introducing my head to a  2x4 a few years back. Pretty much stopped me dead in my tracks.  1: - I saw the original  On Fri, 2017-06-30 at 10:40 -0400, Stewart Russell wrote: > Hi Jochen, > > I w

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread john whelan
But we could put a note in the OSM wiki where we point to the CANVEC files saying don't bring in the polys. Note to Stewart since you can be far more tactful than I and know the proper technical terms could you drop something in and the French will need covering as well. Cheerio John On 30 June

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Stewart Russell
Hi Jochen, I was waiting for user canvec_imports to say something, but there's been no activity from the account for more than two years. The import was started a long time ago, before there were import guidelines and very likely before the licence change too. It was done with the best available

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
As john has said, we only have a couple hundred mappers for 9.985 million square kilometers...or 27.93 germanies or 41.17 United kindoms or 15.5 Frances. Europe has hundreds of thousands of mappers, Canada does not. If you wish to help out you are more than welcome as a NTS Grid tile section usuall

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread john whelan
Doing nothing for the moment looks extremely good to me. Compared to many other areas of the world such as Germany and the UK we have many fewer mappers per square kilometer. As James has stated this sort of clean up requires fairly specialised resources that realistically we don't have in suffic

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Pierre Béland
Jochen cela ressemble a des menaces. Bon, il y a de meilleures façons de motiver les communautés locales. Bonne journée    Pierre De : Jochen Topf À : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : vendredi 30 juin 2017 3h53 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems Hi! A week ago I

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
https://i.imgur.com/8xKttYm.jpg Image was ridiculously small On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 6:28 AM, James wrote: > Example: > https://i.imgur.com/8xKttYm_d.jpg > > Represents multiple thousand square kilometers of forest/objects. To > actually be able to fix it correctly you NEED to launch JOSM in 64

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
Example: https://i.imgur.com/8xKttYm_d.jpg Represents multiple thousand square kilometers of forest/objects. To actually be able to fix it correctly you NEED to launch JOSM in 64bit mode with min/max memory values set or else it will crap out/freeze at 2GB of memory. Now 1. JOSM doesnt document th

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread James
The problem that canvec has is multi polygons with different attributes were stacked on top of eachother(i.e. hole in the forest that is also a lake? That makes 2 polygons with same shape stacked one of top of eachother... marshland+water+hole in forest? 3 polygons etc etc. Not that I wouldnt live

Re: [Talk-ca] Multipolygon problems

2017-06-30 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! A week ago I wrote this email and nobody answered it yet. Does that mean that nobody feels responsible for the import that created this data and nobody here cares for this data? I see three ways forward: * We do nothing. The broken data stays in OSM. Not a good solution, because every user