Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Steve Singer]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:




Greetings OSM mappers;



For the benefit of background to others on the list

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1560

Is an example of the block message that was sent to a bunch of users.

(I wasn't involved in asking for or implementing the blocks or have anything 
to do with the assignment).


I haven't looked at the edits in any details but I will make a few general 
comments


1. If one user comes into OSM and makes a few changes with issues 
because of misunderstandings or inexperience fixing those changes isn't a 
big deal. Most of the time someone will just fix them without saying 
anything.  However if 30 or 300 users make lots of changes in a short amount 
of time with the same types of errors the volume present challenges.  Large 
scale edits by a bunch who are doing it as part of a course, or who are 
employed by a company to make the changes, or who are doing so as part of a 
coordinated humanitarian effort have the potential to cause problems if they 
aren't coordinated  carefully.



2. A big part of working in any open-source project particularly with OSM is 
that you need to communicate with the other contributors. Communication is a 
two way street, some people are better at it then others and it doesn't come 
naturally to everyone.  I would hope that a course that covered the 
contributing to open source projects (including open data contributions) 
covered interacting with the community. If the course only wanted to give 
students experience with the tools then editing against a test or 
development instance of OSM would be better.


The advise I would give to people new to the open source communities(and at 
times remind veterans) is believe that most people who are contributing are 
coming from a place of good intentions and to give them the benefit of the 
doubt and try to understand where they are coming from.


When contributing to an open sourced project you need to take responsibility 
(as an individual) for your contributions but that doesn't mean they need to 
be, or will be perfect. No edits are perfect but people need to be willing 
to listen to and learn from feedback from other members of the community.


Steve







I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of your 
members that is circulating
through the administration from (james2...@gmail.com).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here -
https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A

I understand that the students are making some small and some large mistakes 
that may not meet your OSM
data quality standards.  The students are restricted to only be mapping the 
Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them finish 
the assignment.  They should
be done by next week. There are 150 students.  Once the assignment is complete 
I would gladly work with you
to salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and 
allow for the assignment to be
completed so that the students can be assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them we 
may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

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Tracey P. Lauriault

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data

Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
1-613-520-2600 x7443
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/

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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Bernie Connors]

Tracey,

  It takes a lot of time and effort to map a university campus completely.  
Especially if you want to use the data for multi-modal routing, e.g., walking 
directions, driving directions, etc.  Small changes can completely destroy a 
carefully constructed network of streets and footpaths.  I can understand the 
local Ottawa mappers being protective of their hard work. To avoid this problem 
in the future here are some suggestions:

1.  Choose a location that is completely unmapped.  There are many locations 
around the world that are unmapped or severely under-mapped.  Novice mapping in 
these areas will not damage hours of work by dedicated OSM volunteers.  But 
care is still necessary even in under-mapped areas. We don't want to export our 
problems to another community. 
2.  Download OSM data for the City of Ottawa and have your students edit 
against a local copy of the database.  I don't know how complex it would be to 
setup editing for a local copy of the OSM data. Perhaps some other mappers can 
provide some input. 
3.  Instead of editing OSM data stick to analysis. Teach students how to 
extract statistics from the OSM database
4.  Provide better training to the students so their edits to the OSM database 
do not cause problems. 
5.  Skip OSM and do some exercises in QGIS or ArcGIS Online. 

Best regards,
Bernie. 
berniejconnors

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault  wrote:
> 
> Greetings OSM mappers;
> 
> I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to OSM.
> 
> There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of 
> your members that is circulating through the administration from 
> (james2...@gmail.com).
> 
> The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here - 
> https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A
> 
> I understand that the students are making some small and some large mistakes 
> that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students are 
> restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.
> 
> I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them finish 
> the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150 students.  
> Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to salvage the 
> data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.
> 
> We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and 
> allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be assessed.
> 
> Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them we 
> may be able to fix them.
> 
> Sincerely
> Tracey
> 
> -- 
> Tracey P. Lauriault
> Assistant Professor 
> Critical Media Studies and Big Data
> Communication Studies
> School of Journalism and Communication
> Suite 4110, River Building
> Carleton University
> 1125 Colonel By Drive
> Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
> 1-613-520-2600 x7443
> tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
> @TraceyLauriault
> Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
> https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/
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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Matthew Darwin]

Tracey,

I just want to say some of the edits are really destructive: eg entire 
streets are changed/removed (on campus and off campus).  My automated 
error checking script comparing what is in the City of Ottawa street 
list and what is in OSM caught some errors, which I spent time 
fixing.  Adding fire hydrants and trees in the middle of roads, 
tagging a street lamp as an address are other very weird things I 
found.  The students need to pay way more attention to what they are 
doing.


Less volume, more quality please!

On 2017-10-10 10:25 PM, James wrote:
1. the restriction was a login(zero minute) block to grab users 
attention after multiple attempts trying to contact: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/YueYuan/history#map=18/45.35567/-75.75291 
so once they login and view the message they can edit again


2. They have not been editing just around Carleton Campus, there 
have been students editing out on baseline and other areas of Ottawa


3. I've been trying to fix them, but at 1000+ changesets this is 
going to be a monumental task.


I'm not trying to stop your students from contributing, but when 
they simply ignore advice we try to give them to correct said 
actions(kept contributing after multiple changeset comments: they 
get an email per changeset comment) we need a higher power(admins) 
to step in so we can discuss like human beings.



On Oct 10, 2017 10:14 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" > wrote:


Greetings OSM mappers;

I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from
posting to OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University
by one of your members that is circulating through the
administration from (james2...@gmail.com
).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment
described here - https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A


I understand that the students are making some small and some
large mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality
standards.  The students are restricted to only be mapping the
Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to
let them finish the assignment.  They should be done by next
week. There are 150 students.  Once the assignment is complete I
would gladly work with you to salvage the data, delete some
data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be
empathetic and allow for the assignment to be completed so that
the students can be assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you
identify them we may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

-- 
*/Tracey P. Lauriault/*


Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building Carleton University 1125 Colonel By
Drive Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443 
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/


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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[James]

1. the restriction was a login(zero minute) block to grab users attention
after multiple attempts trying to contact:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/YueYuan/history#map=18/45.35567/-75.75291
so once they login and view the message they can edit again

2. They have not been editing just around Carleton Campus, there have been
students editing out on baseline and other areas of Ottawa

3. I've been trying to fix them, but at 1000+ changesets this is going to
be a monumental task.

I'm not trying to stop your students from contributing, but when they
simply ignore advice we try to give them to correct said actions(kept
contributing after multiple changeset comments: they get an email per
changeset comment) we need a higher power(admins) to step in so we can
discuss like human beings.


On Oct 10, 2017 10:14 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault"  wrote:

Greetings OSM mappers;

I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to
OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of
your members that is circulating through the administration from (
james2...@gmail.com).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here -
https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A

I understand that the students are making some small and some large
mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students
are restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them
finish the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150
students.  Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to
salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the
data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and
allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be
assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them
we may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

-- 
*Tracey P. Lauriault*

Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443 <(613)%20520-2600>
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/

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[Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Greetings OSM mappers;

I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to
OSM.

There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of
your members that is circulating through the administration from (
james2...@gmail.com).

The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here -
https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A

I understand that the students are making some small and some large
mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students
are restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.

I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them
finish the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150
students.  Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to
salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the
data.

We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and
allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be
assessed.

Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them
we may be able to fix them.

Sincerely
Tracey

-- 
*Tracey P. Lauriault*

Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/
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