[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Microbreweries in Birmingham?

2011-11-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
We have two pubs in Witton, each tagged as microbreweries: The Yew Tree: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/81601344 The Cap n Gown: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/82106192 I don't think either are; but thought it best to ask here before de-tagging them as such, in case

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Microbreweries in Birmingham?

2011-11-15 Thread Andy Robinson
Mike tagged the buildings but I don't know if he moved the tags from a previous node or not. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 November 2011 19:01 To: Andy Mabbett Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Microbreweries in

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
Will the map pick up on pubs too? *cough* I know lots around here *cough*, so can add the operator tag if that'll help - should we specifically pick out pubs that aren't tied (as opposed to the tag just not being there), eg operator=independent (?) Yep. There's a section on the talk page

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Hello altogether, sorry for entering the discussion this late, but I have just been pointed here right now because I do not usually follow talk-gb. I do however think, that this stuff should not be UK only :) Graham Jones schrieb am Sonntag, den 13. November um 23:46 Uhr: With some help from

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
sorry for entering the discussion this late, but I have just been pointed here right now because I do not usually follow talk-gb. I do however think, that this stuff should not be UK only :) I can't speak for the original poster, but I think it was perceived as a UK completeness type project,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: Do make comments/suggestions on the wiki pages... the tags we're using are still evolving. I have changed craft|industrial=cider_house to craft|industrial=cider (and the same for perry). A cider house is a pub that predominantly serves cider, not a producer. There is no

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr
On 15/11/2011 12:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote: A cider house is a pub that predominantly serves cider, not a producer. The /Oxford English Dictionary/ got it wrong then: *cider-house* /n./ a building in which cider is made. -- Steve ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Doerr wrote: The Oxford English Dictionary got it wrong then: *cider-house* n. a building in which cider is made. Far be it for me to criticise the august OED (though I'm more of a Chambers man), but yes, it did. http://www.thecoronationtap.com/ - Clifton's original, and still it's only,

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Things tagged with microbrewery should be okay... assuming they respected the tags original definition, i.e., a pub with a brewery in it. When I announced Open Brewpub Map last year some people on the German Mailinglist also started talking

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
When I announced Open Brewpub Map last year some people on the German Mailinglist also started talking about how to tag ordinary breweries (there are a lot of them in Germany). This is exactly what your proposal now defines. Would you give a summary of what suggestions emerged? Or perhaps

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Brian Prangle
Sven - we do have a couple of wineries and vineyards in the UK! On 15 November 2011 14:34, Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Things tagged with microbrewery should be okay... assuming they respected the tags original

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone Just dome some armchair mapping in Hereford where the HP Bulmer site is a massive industrial complex so I don't think ciderhouse or press or mill is somehow appropriate so I've labelled it industrial=brewery for the meantime. Perhaps we should also have industrial=cider? The Bulmers

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone Whilst I originally envisaged this as a UK project, what Sven has brought up does suggest that it has a global perspective, but I doubt if Graham's time or server could cope with something that large. The wine industry is certainly global and Heineken( not real ale I know!) has 115

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
Aston Manor Brewery in Birmingham no longer makes ales; just cider, on an industrial scale - yet retains the word Brewery in its name. :-( On 15 November 2011 15:40, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone Just dome some armchair mapping in Hereford where the HP Bulmer site is a

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Mabbett wrote: Aston Manor Brewery in Birmingham no longer makes ales; just cider, on an industrial scale - yet retains the word Brewery in its name. :-( I'd argue it doesn't really make anything recognisable as cider, either, but that's a whole different argument. ;) (not quite fair -

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Craig Loftus
Brian Prangle wrote: Perhaps we should also have industrial=cider? It exists. The table of values on the wiki page is supposed to apply to both craft and industrial keys. Richard Fairhurst wrote (not quite fair - they do own Knights who make some decent enough, though perhaps slightly

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Loftus wrote: We have real cider now as well? Yep, although I think it's less of a binary yes/no than with real ale. CAMRA has a lengthy definition at http://www.camra.org.uk/page.aspx?o=aboutciderandperry , though it's worth noting that cider-drinkers generally don't regard CAMRA with

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Would you give a summary of what suggestions emerged? There was not much of a discussion with suggestions mostly about industrial or craft. What do you think of applying craft=* to the pub/restaurant? craft=brewery? Already there (And we

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Sven Geggus
Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst I originally envisaged this as a UK project, what Sven has brought up does suggest that it has a global perspective Shure it does. I would bet hands down, that there are more breweries in Germany than in UK ;) but I doubt if Graham's time or

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Graham Jones
Sven, Brian, There are two reasons that this only works for the UK (or really the UK and Ireland) at the moment: - My OSM database only covers this region. It could probably cope with a larger area (maybe Europe), but I have never tried - it is running on my old Laptop so it is not

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Graham Jones
I forgot a third possible way around it - generate standard image tiles using Mapnik, and use Mapnik MetaWriters to provide data files for the popups - again I have not tried this one, but it would probably be the simplest way of getting to a larger area map with the least coding work required.

Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Doerr
On 15/11/2011 22:48, Sven Geggus wrote: Huh, there actually _are_ wineries in the UK? Sven Not merely wineries, but vineyards too: