Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

On 19/12/19 13:01, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 19/12/2019 01:41, Andy Townsend wrote: Aside from this particular question, that's actually a problem that happens all the time with things like "amenity=pub; tourism=hotel" - I'd rather the mapper make a clear choice as they know what is there,

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

On 19/12/2019 01:41, Andy Townsend wrote: Aside from this particular question, that's actually a problem that happens all the time with things like "amenity=pub; tourism=hotel" - Not really. pub & hotel are synonymous but building=yes (which indicates it's operational) is antonymous to disused

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

On 18/12/2019 23:47, Warin wrote: On 19/12/19 00:41, Mike Baggaley wrote: Perhaps setting both building=yes and disused: building=apartments would fulfill all the needs. Err no. Having both tags on the one object is contradictory. How is it determined which tag to render? Aside from this par

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

On 19/12/19 00:41, Mike Baggaley wrote: Perhaps setting both building=yes and disused: building=apartments would fulfill all the needs. Err no. Having both tags on the one object is contradictory. How is it determined which tag to render? A building=* is rendered one way. A disused:building=

[Talk-GB] Appeal for Help - Amending a Route Relation - NCN Route 51

NCN Route 51  has been changed in Central Milton Keynes.  It no longer goes through the intu Shopping Centre! I would love to amend the Route Relation, but have no idea how to go about it.  From following the Tagging Discussions, I think that elements should be added in the order that they are t

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

On 18/12/2019 16:26, David Woolley wrote: > On 18/12/2019 15:59, Robert Skedgell wrote: >> It's parking a car on a >> footway which is illegal in London (an offence which is only subject to >> civil enforcement), unless explicitly allowed by the local authority. > > It's potentially a criminal off

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

Is it worth adding this to Osmose and the other QA tools? --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, at 4:31 PM, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing > nodes in your area, whi

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

Thank you Edward Found one in Leicester, maproulette seagull adds barrier=kerb to crossing=toucan / kerb=lowered. Will fix. Cheers Phil (trigpoint) On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, Edward Catmur wrote: > Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing > nodes in your a

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing nodes in your area, which may be disrupting routing, the Overpass query is node["barrier"="kerb"]["highway"="crossing"] : https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/P5Y On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:20 PM Edward Catmur wrote: > Returning to

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

On 18/12/2019 15:59, Robert Skedgell wrote: It's parking a car on a footway which is illegal in London (an offence which is only subject to civil enforcement), unless explicitly allowed by the local authority. It's potentially a criminal offence anywhere see sub-paragraph 17 of

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

Returning to the original issue, I think I've worked out what the problem is. It's that on a crossing node, kerb=* is fine (it describes the presence/attributes of the kerb on the subsidiary highway) but barrier=kerb should *not* be used. Combining kerb=* with highway=crossing is blessed by Wiki:

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

On 18/12/2019 15:36, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote: >> On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: >>> That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodied sports >>> cars, pretty much all motor vehicles are capable of taking a ker

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote: > On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodied sports > > cars, pretty much all motor vehicles are capable of taking a kerb at low > > speed. > > Although raised ker

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodied sports cars, pretty much all motor vehicles are capable of taking a kerb at low speed. Although raised kerbs are generally there to stop that happening and the resultant tres

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments prior to demolition

On 17/12/2019 20:54, David Woolley wrote: building=yes becomes disused:building=yes I disagree.  It is still a building.  In fact some of the most interesting buildings are disused ones. An unoccupied building (disused:building) is still a building, as you intimate in your last sentence.

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

Perhaps setting both building=yes and disused: building=apartments would fulfill all the needs. Regards, Mike On 18 Dec 2019, 12:00, at 12:00, talk-gb-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: >Send Talk-GB mailing list submissions to > talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via t

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

I think your new mapping is correct, as it reflects reality - which is what most matters. You could improve it by curving the cycle path/sidewalk up to the crossing and aligning the kerb nodes to the aerial photo, but that's nitpicking. That said, there's still a problem in that at least one routi

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

On 16/12/2019 12:32, Andy Townsend wrote: * Firstly, I only tend to add farmland etc. after I've added fences, walls, ditches, gates, bits of woodland etc. (it's just easier that way around). * If the crop extends right up to the hedge, I'd tend to have the hedge sharing nodes wi

[Talk-GB] East Midlands New Year Footpath Mapping Social 2020

Dear All, Provisional details for a planned mapping event around the new year are now on the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nottingham/Mapping_Meetup/New_Year_2020. There's masses to be done in the area just to the West of where we visited last year. Similar type of terrain. Once a dat

[Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

Hi, After investigating two reports of OSRM routing failures around North Tyneside, the common factor I can see is barrier=kerb tags added to highway=crossing nodes intersecting highway=tertiary and highway=cycleway/ footway ways. Here are links to the two map note reports: https://www.open

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments prior to demolition

On 17/12/2019 20:54, David Woolley wrote: On 17/12/2019 20:35, Warin wrote: so building=apartments becomes disused:building=apartments or building=yes becomes disused:building=yes I disagree.  It is still a building.  In fact some of the most interesting buildings are disused ones. Rather