Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-23 Thread Peter Childs
2009/3/23 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) : > Richard Mann wrote: > > Ways in OSM - at least as I've been told - are assumed to include any > pavements/cycleways there may be to the side of the road (both in-lane > and on-sidewalk), but not more segregated stuff. At least that's the > pattern I've b

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-23 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Richard Mann wrote: > I'd conceived "highway=cycleway" meaning that the way was wide enough that > pedestrians didn't need to use it (or there was an adjacent route for > pedestrians). I think this is how it is in widespread use in the Netherlands > / Germany. Not sure quite what you mean here - a

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-20 Thread Richard Mann
I'd conceived "highway=cycleway" meaning that the way was wide enough that pedestrians didn't need to use it (or there was an adjacent route for pedestrians). I think this is how it is in widespread use in the Netherlands / Germany. That doesn't work as well in the UK context, where we mostly have

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Mauer
Richard Mann wrote: > I'm aware that there's a school of thought that says there should be a lot > fewer highway tags, with further details in other tags. Can we not rehearse > that debate (please). > > I'm assuming the lower change option of keeping the diversity of tags (and > suggesting the add

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Ed Loach > wrote: > >> So if you have a shared use cycle/footpath where the bicycle and >> people are above each other white on a blue sign I'd say that >> highway=cycleway, foot=designated, cycle=designated and >> highway=footway, foot=design

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-20 Thread Ed Loach
I wrote: > > So if you have a shared use cycle/footpath where the bicycle > and > > people are above each other white on a blue sign I'd say that > > highway=cycleway, foot=designated, cycle=designated and > > highway=footway, foot=designated, cycle=designated are > equivalent, > > and the only di

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Ed Loach wrote: > So if you have a shared use cycle/footpath where the bicycle and > people are above each other white on a blue sign I'd say that > highway=cycleway, foot=designated, cycle=designated and > highway=footway, foot=designated, cycle=designated are eq

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Richard Mann
I'm aware that there's a school of thought that says there should be a lot fewer highway tags, with further details in other tags. Can we not rehearse that debate (please). I'm assuming the lower change option of keeping the diversity of tags (and suggesting the addition of a new one between cycle

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Jim Avery
2009/3/19 Alex Mauer : > Simon Ward wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:11:06PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: >>> Do you think that, just possibly, having to change the tagging on every >>> single road in the database to implement your scheme might make it just >>> a tad impractical... >> >> Oh, there

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Alex Mauer
Simon Ward wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:11:06PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: >> Do you think that, just possibly, having to change the tagging on every >> single road in the database to implement your scheme might make it just >> a tad impractical... > > Oh, there are only 20‐odd million. Pi

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:11:06PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > Do you think that, just possibly, having to change the tagging on every > single road in the database to implement your scheme might make it just > a tad impractical... Oh, there are only 20‐odd million. Piece of cake ;) Simon -- A

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Kevin Peat
Just an idea, practical doesn't come into it ;-> But if "we've always done it that way" wins out every time then the maps we produce probably aren't going to be as useful as they could be. Kevin Tom Hughes wrote: > Kevin Peat wrote: >> Richard Mann wrote: >>> As a general principle, I think Ke

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Tom Hughes
Kevin Peat wrote: > Richard Mann wrote: >> As a general principle, I think Key:highway should do most of the work. >> It should concentrate on describing the physical nature of the way... > > +1 on this...I also think highway should just describe the physical way > so probably just: > > highway

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Kevin Peat
Richard Mann wrote: > As a general principle, I think Key:highway should do most of the work. > It should concentrate on describing the physical nature of the way... +1 on this...I also think highway should just describe the physical way so probably just: highway=path|track|road With the rest

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 19 Mar 2009, at 16:32, Ed Loach wrote: >> highway=path has no such assumptions. > > I'm not sure that any of the highway= values have assumed > permissions. If you tag something as a footway in JOSM it defaults > to adding both highway=footway and foot=yes (or at least I think it > did in a re

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Ed Loach
> highway=path has no such assumptions. I'm not sure that any of the highway= values have assumed permissions. If you tag something as a footway in JOSM it defaults to adding both highway=footway and foot=yes (or at least I think it did in a recent build). So if you have a shared use cycle/footpa

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Alex Mauer
Richard Mann wrote: > Path/footway/cycleway/bridleway/track isn’t really descriptive enough, and > come laden with assumptions about cycle access (in particular) that > currently need to be reviewed when tagging and rendering. highway=path has no such assumptions. highway=track is totally irrelev

[Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Richard Mann
I’ve been trying to work out how OSM can be used to record and display the cycle networks in Oxford. I can get most of the way with the standard tagging in Map Features, but run up a few situations where the tagging doesn’t fit the reality. One of these is the mishmash of tagging rules for footways