Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Dudley Ibbett
s. Regards Dudley From: rasilo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:26:47 +0100 To: bigfatfro...@gmail.com CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas. I think a certain amount of judgement has to be applied when mapping, and recognising that trademarks are l

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Derry Hamilton
I think a certain amount of judgement has to be applied when mapping, and recognising that trademarks are limited in scope. I suspect mapping the route "Nike Air Max" http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=233225 might be a bad idea. But mapping "Nike" http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
eople one million pounds to use it. ;-) Nick -Jonathan <mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com> wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> From: Jonathan <mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com> Date: 23/10/2013 11:17AM Subject: R

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Derry Hamilton
k Whitelegg wrote: > > > Don't know if you can do that on hills too? > > If there's an unnamed hill somewhere I'll call it "Proprietary Peak" and > charge people one million pounds to use it. ;-) > > Nick > > -Jonathan wrote: >

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
As I said, I'm not a lawyer, just erring on the side of caution. My worry is that if you add the "Nike Chimney" (fake name) as a climbing route, we may be using something that is not without legal encumbrance. I'm just paranoid :-) I would suggest that if anyone goes out, surveys and climbs

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
nathan Date: 23/10/2013 11:17AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas. Hi Derry, I'm no lawyer, but if the route name was first used in a copyrighted publication and never used before that publication then they *may* have claim to it. Bear in mind that while a route name may

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Derry Hamilton
Hi Jonathan, I believe the lack of copyright on route names and location was settled in BMC vs Rockfax, when the BMC sued on exactly that basis and lost, but I don't have a cite to hand. Thanks, Derry On 23 October 2013 11:13, Jonathan wrote: > Hi Derry, > > I'm no lawyer, but if the route nam

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Nick Whitelegg
7AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas. Hi Derry, I'm no lawyer, but if the route name was first used in a copyrighted publication and never used before that publication then they *may* have claim to it.  Bear in mind that while a route name may not be covered by co

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
Hi Derry, I'm no lawyer, but if the route name was first used in a copyrighted publication and never used before that publication then they *may* have claim to it. Bear in mind that while a route name may not be covered by copyright it may be covered by a trademark!? Jonathan http://bigfat

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-22 Thread Derry Hamilton
Typically by asking local climbers, and climbing the route yourself. Opinions I've seen are that route names are not copyrightable, any more than road or mountain names. So If I've been there, verified the name with locals, climbed the route logging it's location in my GPS, and assessed the grade

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-22 Thread Chris Hill
On 22/10/13 21:58, Derry Hamilton wrote: Hi, Is there a current/acceptable method for mapping climbs? Each time I go to a new area and spend ages squinting at bits of rock that vaguely look like the guidebook illustration I think "I must map this properly". Mainly, that's been mapping the cli

[Talk-GB] Mapping climbing routes/areas.

2013-10-22 Thread Derry Hamilton
Hi, Is there a current/acceptable method for mapping climbs? Each time I go to a new area and spend ages squinting at bits of rock that vaguely look like the guidebook illustration I think "I must map this properly". Mainly, that's been mapping the cliff, and naming it suitably, as natural=cliff.