Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 13/05/16 11:17, Dave F wrote: I think you're combining two separate issues. Designated cycle route NCN4 was implemented along the K canal long before 2012. There a was short time when a free license was required to officially use it. Whether individual people had a license or not made no

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

I think you're combining two separate issues. Designated cycle route NCN4 was implemented along the K canal long before 2012. There a was short time when a free license was required to officially use it. Whether individual people had a license or not made no difference to it's status.

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 12/05/16 23:53, Andy Townsend wrote: It depends where you are, I think. Certainly the canal towpath nearest to me (Cromford Canal) is mostly public footpath. It's all been surveyed, and the designation has been added fairly conservatively, i.e. only where there's signage, and even on that

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

David Woolley wrote: > For canal towpaths, bicycle=designated is misleading, as it tends > to imply a public right of way, whereas these are normally > access=permissive, and privately owned by the Canal and River > Trust. Again, Scotland is different. :) Scotland's canals didn't go to CRT:

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 12/05/2016 23:13, David Woolley wrote: They started their life being purely for private profit, got nationalised, then handed to a charity, but never got made public rights of way. It depends where you are, I think. Certainly the canal towpath nearest to me (Cromford Canal) is mostly

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 12/05/16 12:30, Eric Grosso wrote: At the moment, the different tags (in link with this discussion) used for these ways are:highway=path, surface=paved, bicycle=designated, segregated=no, width=1.75, ncn_ref=754 (Tobi added yesterday a ncn_ref in addition to the associated relation). For

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Craig Wallace wrote: > Maybe the consensus in England. > In Scotland, where paths can be used on foot, bicycle, horse etc, > then highway=path makes sense. And that is how they are > generally tagged in OSM. Yes, access laws are indeed different in Scotland to England & Wales. However, the

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 2016-05-11 06:44, Richard Fairhurst wrote: On 10/05/2016 20:59, Eric Grosso wrote: What do you think? Do we, OSM contributors, tag all the highways part of a NCN as cycleways? What to do when in some cases, a highway is both part of a NCN route and a hiking route (e.g the John Muir Way)?

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Thanks Chris, thanks Richard. If we take the example of the Union Canal Towpath (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222362355), it was originally a footway, upgraded (i.e. resurfaced) at several points in time (but a lot have been done in 2005-2006), so it became easier and easier for

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 10/05/2016 20:59, Eric Grosso wrote: What do you think? Do we, OSM contributors, tag all the highways part of a NCN as cycleways? What to do when in some cases, a highway is both part of a NCN route and a hiking route (e.g the John Muir Way)? Please don't use highway=path:

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Also meant to add to my last email. Has anyone been in touch with tintin2873? Cheers Chris On Tue, 10 May 2016 at 23:15 wrote: > On 10/05/16 at 08:59pm, Eric Grosso wrote: > > I removed the NCN names associated to the roads/paths in Edinburgh (at > > least until the City

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 10/05/16 at 08:59pm, Eric Grosso wrote: > I removed the NCN names associated to the roads/paths in Edinburgh (at > least until the City By-pass) modified this week-end and I also re-added > the railway=abandoned parts as it was before tintin2873's edits -- > changeset #39226002. > > I

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

I removed the NCN names associated to the roads/paths in Edinburgh (at least until the City By-pass) modified this week-end and I also re-added the railway=abandoned parts as it was before tintin2873's edits -- changeset #39226002. I discovered that some parts of the Union Canal Towpath and the

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

It isn't just a renaming. The value of the highway tag has been changed too from path to cycleway in some places, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8116531/history It seems relatively complex to use the revert tool in JOSM as these edits have been done individually. Eric On 9 May 2016 at

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Hi all, This user started to change back his own edits, e.g.: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/207979578/history#map=17/55.88829/-4.37323 Eric On 8 May 2016 at 18:21, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > David Woolley wrote: > > I'm not sure of the likely sources (assuming they

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

David Woolley wrote: > I'm not sure of the likely sources (assuming they have missed > the reference in the existing mapping) but Sustrans have a no > commercial use restriction, that is incompatible with OSM. I wouldn't assume bad faith in this or indeed any NCN-related case. As I thought was

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Thanks * I meant restoring not redacting. Should we point out there's a quicker way than doing each edit individually or is this a good way to learn a lesson? ;-) Dave F. On 08/05/2016 13:38, Philip Barnes wrote: On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:11 +0100, Dave F wrote: Did someone contact him, as

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On Sun, 2016-05-08 at 13:11 +0100, Dave F wrote: > Did someone contact him, as he appears to be redacting. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38353814/history#map=15/55.4568/-3. > 6478 > I saw that Richard Fairhurst has added a changeset comment. Phil (trigpoint) > On 07/05/2016 22:21, Donald

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Did someone contact him, as he appears to be redacting. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38353814/history#map=15/55.4568/-3.6478 On 07/05/2016 22:21, Donald Noble wrote: Hi all, I spotted in Edinburgh first, and across the central belt of Scotland, that a relatively new user, tintin2873

Re: [Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

On 08/05/16 09:39, Bob wrote: It sounds like there is passion but not enough direction Another concern I would have here is that they are probably importing a copyright database (or at least one that they haven't checked for copyright releases). Unfortunately using copyright restricted

[Talk-GB] New user renaming highway=cycleway with NCN references

Hi all, I spotted in Edinburgh first, and across the central belt of Scotland, that a relatively new user, tintin2873 [1], has been renaming a lot of the ways that make up the national cycle network to include the NCN reference number. e.g. "Middle Meadow Walk" has been changed to "Middle Meadow