Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Peter Miller
On 3 June 2011 11:45, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Hi all, Some stats on OSM coverage of Kent. I tried to pair the records of KCC OpenKent with the OSM database. Assuming the KCC list is complete (which it is usually, but not entirely), we can estimate OSM's coverage in the

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread TimSC
On 08/06/11 08:15, Peter Miller wrote: My experience is that the LWG never makes definitive statements! I find that annoying sometimes but, if we are to follow to Spinoza's example that we should made a ceaseless effort not to [...] scorn human actions, but to understand them, LWG have to

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread SomeoneElse
On 08/06/2011 08:15, Peter Miller wrote: ... On a separate note. Would you be able to do a comparison between place names in NatGaz and in OSM. I think we will be surprised how many places we are still missing from OSM. My guess is that OSM only contains about 65% of the 50K places in that

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: On 07/06/11 14:37, Richard Fairhurst wrote: You don't need to put stuff into OSM to make it mashable-uppable. Most competent licences will have a Collective Work/Database provision to enable this. While this this strictly true it is sometimes hard to associate external records

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM
On 08/06/2011 15:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote: TimSC wrote: On 07/06/11 14:37, Richard Fairhurst wrote: You don't need to put stuff into OSM to make it mashable-uppable. Most competent licences will have a Collective Work/Database provision to enable this. While this this strictly true it is

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: Straw man. [...] Sigh. [...] It is ridiculous [...] I guess I should not surprised you can't see the benefits [...] This seems to be a common thread of your arguments - you make wild claims Fair enough. It's fairly evident you don't see stuff on the same wavelength as I do.

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-08 Thread Peter Miller
On 8 June 2011 09:39, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: On 08/06/11 08:15, Peter Miller wrote: My experience is that the LWG never makes definitive statements! I find that annoying sometimes but, if we are to follow to Spinoza's example that we should made a ceaseless effort not to

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread Bob Kerr
From: TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2011, 11:56 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation On 04/06/11 11:04, Bob Kerr wrote: Hi, Is there any way that we can request

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
TimSC wrote: With complete lists of addresses, we can go and find exact positions of these services. I am still unsure if this is compatible with the relicensing. If you go out and find the exact position of a service, with a piece of paper and a pen (or a GPS or whatever), that's your

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread TimSC
On 07/06/11 13:34, Richard Fairhurst wrote: If you go out and find the exact position of a service, with a piece of paper and a pen (or a GPS or whatever), that's your data, not theirs. So of course it's compatible. I think you miss my point. The datasets contain more than just their

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread Bob Kerr
From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011, 14:37 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation TimSC wrote: I think you miss my point. The datasets contain more than just their postal address. If the licenses

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread TimSC
On 07/06/11 14:37, Richard Fairhurst wrote: TimSC wrote: I think you miss my point. The datasets contain more than just their postal address. If the licenses are compatible, we can mash up the data. You don't need to put stuff into OSM to make it mashable-uppable. Most competent

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread TimSC
That looks like useful data. It looks to me like Edinburgh are not quite embracing open data - the terms and conditions for the entire web site is for personal and non-commercial use only. I stumbled on this recently: http://openlylocal.com/councils/open This list the councils that do open

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-07 Thread TimSC
On 07/06/11 16:02, TimSC wrote: It depends on your definition of import (obviously). If you include tracing, I traced 90% of SE London and then Semantic Tourist used that in walking papers to survey it personally. Would that be an example? It also fits my vision of import and improve. Oops,

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-04 Thread Bob Kerr
we make one? Cheers Bob From: TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011, 11:45 Subject: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation Hi all, Some stats on OSM coverage of Kent. I tried to pair the records of KCC

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-04 Thread TimSC
On 04/06/11 11:04, Bob Kerr wrote: Hi, Is there any way that we can request the data in a standard easy to use format, one that we can requested from different councils throughout the uk. That would be ideal because data standards enable sharing and use. On the other hand, any barrier to

[Talk-GB] OpenKent, OSM coverage estimation

2011-06-03 Thread TimSC
Hi all, Some stats on OSM coverage of Kent. I tried to pair the records of KCC OpenKent with the OSM database. Assuming the KCC list is complete (which it is usually, but not entirely), we can estimate OSM's coverage in the area. Schools: 618 of 915 (915 (67.54 %) Pharmacies: 67 of 274