Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New imagery

[Andy Robinson]

Ooh er. That’s rather nice. Thanks DG.

 

No real improvement in resolution, in fact what we had was perhaps better in 
the areas I’m looking at, but it is more up to date and the benefit of two 
separate sources really helps resolving things when obscured by long shadows 
and vegetation.

 

Cheers

Andy 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 May 2017 20:03
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New imagery

 

Didn't need to find the URLs as JOSM already had these new layers available. 
But if for some reason your JOSM does not update then the URLs are available: 

1. Go to https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/pull/323/files

2. Click load diff on the sources/world/DigitalGlobegeojsons
3. The URLs are shown

Best,




Rob

 

On 9 May 2017 at 19:53, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

Yay, some new aerial imagery thanks to Digital Globe. I can't see the url to 
load this in to JOSM but tested it in iD editor and it's more up to date than 
anything else we have in Coventry (the Digital Globe "standard" layer)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/@kevin_bullock/diary/41132

Will get on to tracing new buildings with this new dataset :-D




Rob

 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New imagery

[Rob Nickerson]

Didn't need to find the URLs as JOSM already had these new layers
available. But if for some reason your JOSM does not update then the URLs
are available:

1. Go to https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/pull/323/files
2. Click load diff on the sources/world/DigitalGlobegeojsons
3. The URLs are shown

Best,

*Rob*

On 9 May 2017 at 19:53, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Yay, some new aerial imagery thanks to Digital Globe. I can't see the url
> to load this in to JOSM but tested it in iD editor and it's more up to date
> than anything else we have in Coventry (the Digital Globe "standard" layer)
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/@kevin_bullock/diary/41132
>
> Will get on to tracing new buildings with this new dataset :-D
>
> *Rob*
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] New imagery

[Rob Nickerson]

Yay, some new aerial imagery thanks to Digital Globe. I can't see the url
to load this in to JOSM but tested it in iD editor and it's more up to date
than anything else we have in Coventry (the Digital Globe "standard" layer)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/@kevin_bullock/diary/41132

Will get on to tracing new buildings with this new dataset :-D

*Rob*
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>> Apart from some posts  about the problems with email notifications of
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>> this import. I guess that's because the initative is really down to me.
>>
>> I've annotated Harry's Import wiki page
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> For info, stations are regarded as “national” and so have their own 910
> prefix. So 9100LHONSEA is Leigh-on-sea (OK, it’s not in London but that’s
> the one I know). The alpha code on the end is a match to the rail industry
> TIPLOC codes, which throws up some oddities (such as London Victoria and
> London Bridge having two TIPLOCs each, and Clapham Junction having four).
>
> Metro stations are also regarded as national, and so have 940 prefixes. In
> the cases I mentioned before, 9400ZZLUBNK is Bank, and 9400ZZLUTWH is Tower
> Hill. In both rail and metro cases, these codes represent the entire
> station.
>
> Then, each rail station or metro station has one or more entrances. These,
> for historical reasons, are always defined locally and have local codes. So
> they have the local prefix (490 for London) instead of the national prefix,
> but use the same identifier for the station. There is then a numbered suffix
> to distinguish between different entrances, although Bank has so many that
> it needs alpha as well.
>
> So:
>
>  *   4900ZZLUBNK7 is Bank Station, Entrance 9, on the corner of Threadneedle
> Street (there isn’t necessarily any direct correlation between the suffix
> and the entrance number)
>  *   4900ZZLUOXC7 is Oxford Circus, Entrance 7, on Argyll Street
>  *   etc
>
> The final oddity is that there is a hierarchy. So rail stations can contain
> metro stations, but not the other way around. But each different entity is
> expected to have its own entrances. So at Blackfriars, for example, the rail
> station has two entrances, north and south, and the nominal “entrance” to
> the underground is actually set on the gateline inside the station building.
>

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On 4/27/2017 12:26 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:

Apart from some posts  about the problems with email notifications of
changeset discussions, there has been nothing to indicate where I take
this import. I guess that's because the initative is really down to me.

I've annotated Harry's Import wiki page
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data>
with some comments and ideas. I've copied below what I think are the
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issues as I'm keen to complete the import.


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Yes.

For info, stations are regarded as “national” and so have their own 910 
prefix. So 9100LHONSEA is Leigh-on-sea (OK, it’s not in London but that’s 
the one I know). The alpha code on the end is a match to the rail industry 
TIPLOC codes, which throws up some oddities (such as London Victoria and 
London Bridge having two TIPLOCs each, and Clapham Junction having four).


Metro stations are also regarded as national, and so have 940 prefixes. In 
the cases I mentioned before, 9400ZZLUBNK is Bank, and 9400ZZLUTWH is Tower 
Hill. In both rail and metro cases, these codes represent the entire 
station.


Then, each rail station or metro station has one or more entrances. These, 
for historical reasons, are always defined locally and have local codes. So 
they have the local prefix (490 for London) instead of the national prefix, 
but use the same identifier for the station. There is then a numbered suffix 
to distinguish between different entrances, although Bank has so many that 
it needs alpha as well.


So:

 *   4900ZZLUBNK7 is Bank Station, Entrance 9, on the corner of 
Threadneedle Street (there isn’t necessarily any direct correlation between 
the suffix and the entrance number)

 *   4900ZZLUOXC7 is Oxford Circus, Entrance 7, on Argyll Street
 *   etc

The final oddity is that there is a hierarchy. So rail stations can contain 
metro stations, but not the other way around. But each different entity is 
expected to have its own entrances. So at Blackfriars, for example, the rail 
station has two entrances, north and south, and the nominal “entrance” to 
the underground is actually set on the gateline inside the station building.


So there are some things to be aware of, but positionally the entrances are 
all in the right places (more or less) and you can get a “big bang” from the 
NaPTAN data even if you later on wish to refine the entrances by survey.


Regards,
Stuart Reynolds
for traveline south east & anglia



On 9 May 2017, at 07:14, Andrew Hain 
<andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:


Does it include stations belonging to Network Rail?

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From: Stuart Reynolds 
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Sent: 08 May 2017 23:44:56
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Cc: Bjoern Hassler; 

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

[Lester Caine]

On 09/05/17 08:27, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
> 
> For info, stations are regarded as “national” and so have their own 910
> prefix. So 9100LHONSEA is Leigh-on-sea (OK, it’s not in London but
> that’s the one I know). The alpha code on the end is a match to the rail
> industry TIPLOC codes, which throws up some oddities (such as London
> Victoria and London Bridge having two TIPLOCs each, and Clapham Junction
> having four).

Been a while since I worked with TIPLOC codes ... it stands for 'Timing
point locations' rather than the station itself. So complex stations
like Clapham Junction having several routes through have different
timing points.

Not sure how up to date http://trains.barrycarlyon.co.uk/data/locations/
is and the link to the source is dead (along with other links to Phil
Deave), but then I found
http://nrodwiki.rockshore.net/index.php/AddingJunctionsAndSidingsToOsm.
Not sure that there has been much progress with that.

The open rail data is probably a source that we can use today,
http://wiki.openraildata.com/index.php/File:TIPLOC_Eastings_and_Northings.xlsx.gz
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Re: [Talk-gb-london] [Talk-GB] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

[Bjoern Hassler]

Hi Stuart, hi Derek, hi all,

Sure, a marathon and field mapping would be great. And it can wait until
after the election, for sure!

Regarding NAPTAN, see here http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Kings_Cross/Comparison.
While this is only kings cross, I've found the situation the same
elsewhere. However, maybe the data has improved over the last year? Or
maybe I got something wrong? Could be worth another look, but my experience
was that it's not all that useful, i.e. many stations don't have entrances
in the NAPTAN data at all, and often they are way off. I still have the GPX
I produced a year ago and would be happy to share it of course.

The experience with NAPTAN data partially made me to want to do something
about the station entrances. They are important access features and I don't
know of a good map source for them.

Let me know what you think!
All the best,
Bjoern

On Mon, 8 May 2017 at 23:45, Stuart Reynolds  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> For reference, virtually all of the entrances are contained within the
> London NaPTAN data (https://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan) which is the data
> that begins with the prefix 4900. The tube entrances all begin 4909ZZLU
> followed by a three letter code for the station plus a digit to distinguish
> between different entrances. For example, 4909ZZLUBNK0 would be an entrance
> to Bank, while 4900ZZLUTWH0 would be Tower Hill.
>
> While these do not give you accessibility information, they are all
> maintained by TfL and should give you accurate positional information.
>
> Regards
> Stuart
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 May 2017, at 21:02, Derick Rethans  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is a good idea. We have something UK wide, but doing it a
> local way makes a lot of sense (and easier to complete). Happy to do
> this "fix the tube network" thing over a few weekends (After the General
> Election that is).
>
> cheers,
> Derick
>
> On Thu, 4 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote:
>
> Dear Grant, dear all,
>
>
> thanks for putting on the meeting, and thanks for the sponsored pizza! Good
>
> meeting last night, and god to have met you all.
>
>
> Following up on the "Missing Maps London" idea, I thought we could may do
>
> some "map challenges" that look at specific things that need work. It might
>
> be a nice community building activity, and provide some continuity between
>
> meetings?
>
>
> As an experiment, I've formulated one such challenges here
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_
> tagging_scheme/Map_Challenges
>
> and added images / interactive maps / help for new mappers.
>
>
> See what you think and let me know whether there's interest. Results could
>
> be announced at the next meeting?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Bjoern
>
>
>
> On 30 April 2017 at 17:30, Grant Slater 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> We trying a new format OpenStreetMap evening meetup in London this
>
> Wednesday 3rd May 2017... We'd love for you to come along:
>
>
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Q-A-Meetup/events/239366249/
>
>
> New to OpenStreetMap and want to learn more or need some help getting
>
> started? Already mapping or using OSM and have any Questions or
>
> Challenges or want to see what others are up to? This is the event for
>
> you.
>
>
> We already have 3 great speakers lined up for the evening:
>
>
> * Andy Allan - OpenCycleMap / Thunderforest
>
> * Astrid Thorseth - Missing Maps
>
> * Derick Rethans - London Mapper
>
>
> We have a great venue (bias, I work there), there will be pizza and
>
> soft drinks provided.
>
>
> I'd love to hear any suggestions on how we could improve the event or
>
> what works elsewhere.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Grant
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham Tree Import

[Gregory]

The height issue is something I see as problematic, but the proposed
solution is suitable.
A lot of data outputs are doing 3D but would treat the height values as
unknown units. Give something they can accept (eg maximum height), and
provide more detail (ie height:range) for those systems that know to deal
with it (eg something looking at natural objects!).

>From Newcastle,
Gregory (LivingWithDragons).

On 9 May 2017 8:29 a.m., "Paul Norman"  wrote:

> On 4/27/2017 12:26 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
> Apart from some posts  about the problems with email notifications of
> changeset discussions, there has been nothing to indicate where I take this
> import. I guess that's because the initative is really down to me.
>
> I've annotated Harry's Import wiki page
> 
> with some comments and ideas. I've copied below what I think are the
> relevant bits from the wiki page and I look forward to resolving the issues
> as I'm keen to complete the import.
>
>
> Don't forget the need to consult with imports@ as part of the
> consultation with the community.
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[Gregory]

For UK project ideas see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Project

There's benefits to being more local than the UK. You can pick a project
that works better, or UK-wide can be inspired by a local challenge that
went well.
Please consider working insync too, it can be encouraging to be part of the
bigger picture that makes OSM work. I.e. we'll fix our patch, while they
improve their patch.
Discuss on talk-gb when there's a project/challenge that you think will
work further afield.

Also, I'm really glad to see you trying a new format. I do miss being able
to join you all in London.

>From way up North,
Gregory (LivingWithDragons).

On 9 May 2017 8:30 a.m., "Stuart Reynolds" 
wrote:

> Yes.
>
> For info, stations are regarded as “national” and so have their own 910
> prefix. So 9100LHONSEA is Leigh-on-sea (OK, it’s not in London but that’s
> the one I know). The alpha code on the end is a match to the rail industry
> TIPLOC codes, which throws up some oddities (such as London Victoria and
> London Bridge having two TIPLOCs each, and Clapham Junction having four).
>
> Metro stations are also regarded as national, and so have 940 prefixes. In
> the cases I mentioned before, 9400ZZLUBNK is Bank, and 9400ZZLUTWH is Tower
> Hill. In both rail and metro cases, these codes represent the entire
> station.
>
> Then, each rail station or metro station has one or more entrances. These,
> for historical reasons, are always defined locally and have local codes. So
> they have the local prefix (490 for London) instead of the national prefix,
> but use the same identifier for the station. There is then a numbered
> suffix to distinguish between different entrances, although Bank has so
> many that it needs alpha as well.
>
> So:
>
>- 4900ZZLUBNK7 is Bank Station, Entrance 9, on the corner of
>Threadneedle Street (there isn’t necessarily any direct correlation between
>the suffix and the entrance number)
>- 4900ZZLUOXC7 is Oxford Circus, Entrance 7, on Argyll Street
>- etc
>
>
> The final oddity is that there is a hierarchy. So rail stations can
> contain metro stations, but not the other way around. But each different
> entity is expected to have its own entrances. So at Blackfriars, for
> example, the rail station has two entrances, north and south, and the
> nominal “entrance” to the underground is actually set on the gateline
> inside the station building.
>
> So there are some things to be aware of, but positionally the entrances
> are all in the right places (more or less) and you can get a “big bang”
> from the NaPTAN data even if you later on wish to refine the entrances by
> survey.
>
> Regards,
> Stuart Reynolds
> for traveline south east & anglia
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2017, at 07:14, Andrew Hain  wrote:
>
> Does it include stations belonging to Network Rail?
>
> --
> Andrew
> --
> *From:* Stuart Reynolds 
> *Sent:* 08 May 2017 23:44:56
> *To:* Derick Rethans
> *Cc:* Bjoern Hassler; talk-gb-lon...@openstreetmap.org; osm-gb
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite
>
> Hi All,
>
> For reference, virtually all of the entrances are contained within the
> London NaPTAN data (https://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan) which is the data
> that begins with the prefix 4900. The tube entrances all begin 4909ZZLU
> followed by a three letter code for the station plus a digit to distinguish
> between different entrances. For example, 4909ZZLUBNK0 would be an entrance
> to Bank, while 4900ZZLUTWH0 would be Tower Hill.
>
> While these do not give you accessibility information, they are all
> maintained by TfL and should give you accurate positional information.
>
> Regards
> Stuart
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 May 2017, at 21:02, Derick Rethans  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is a good idea. We have something UK wide, but doing it a
> local way makes a lot of sense (and easier to complete). Happy to do
> this "fix the tube network" thing over a few weekends (After the General
> Election that is).
>
> cheers,
> Derick
>
> On Thu, 4 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote:
>
> Dear Grant, dear all,
>
>
> thanks for putting on the meeting, and thanks for the sponsored pizza! Good
>
> meeting last night, and god to have met you all.
>
>
> Following up on the "Missing Maps London" idea, I thought we could may do
>
> some "map challenges" that look at specific things that need work. It might
>
> be a nice community building activity, and provide some continuity between
>
> meetings?
>
>
> As an experiment, I've formulated one such challenges here
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_
> transport_tagging_scheme/Map_Challenges
>
> and added images / interactive maps / help for new mappers.
>
>
> See what you think and let me know whether there's interest. Results could
>
> be announced at the next meeting?
>
>
> All the 

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

[David Woolley]

On 09/05/17 07:14, Andrew Hain wrote:

Does it include stations belonging to Network Rail?


I believe many stations are owned by train operating companies, not 
Network Rail.


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[Stuart Reynolds]

Yes.

For info, stations are regarded as “national” and so have their own 910 prefix. 
So 9100LHONSEA is Leigh-on-sea (OK, it’s not in London but that’s the one I 
know). The alpha code on the end is a match to the rail industry TIPLOC codes, 
which throws up some oddities (such as London Victoria and London Bridge having 
two TIPLOCs each, and Clapham Junction having four).

Metro stations are also regarded as national, and so have 940 prefixes. In the 
cases I mentioned before, 9400ZZLUBNK is Bank, and 9400ZZLUTWH is Tower Hill. 
In both rail and metro cases, these codes represent the entire station.

Then, each rail station or metro station has one or more entrances. These, for 
historical reasons, are always defined locally and have local codes. So they 
have the local prefix (490 for London) instead of the national prefix, but use 
the same identifier for the station. There is then a numbered suffix to 
distinguish between different entrances, although Bank has so many that it 
needs alpha as well.

So:

  *   4900ZZLUBNK7 is Bank Station, Entrance 9, on the corner of Threadneedle 
Street (there isn’t necessarily any direct correlation between the suffix and 
the entrance number)
  *   4900ZZLUOXC7 is Oxford Circus, Entrance 7, on Argyll Street
  *   etc

The final oddity is that there is a hierarchy. So rail stations can contain 
metro stations, but not the other way around. But each different entity is 
expected to have its own entrances. So at Blackfriars, for example, the rail 
station has two entrances, north and south, and the nominal “entrance” to the 
underground is actually set on the gateline inside the station building.

So there are some things to be aware of, but positionally the entrances are all 
in the right places (more or less) and you can get a “big bang” from the NaPTAN 
data even if you later on wish to refine the entrances by survey.

Regards,
Stuart Reynolds
for traveline south east & anglia



On 9 May 2017, at 07:14, Andrew Hain 
> wrote:

Does it include stations belonging to Network Rail?

--
Andrew

From: Stuart Reynolds 
>
Sent: 08 May 2017 23:44:56
To: Derick Rethans
Cc: Bjoern Hassler; 
talk-gb-lon...@openstreetmap.org; 
osm-gb
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

Hi All,

For reference, virtually all of the entrances are contained within the London 
NaPTAN data (https://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan) which is the data that begins 
with the prefix 4900. The tube entrances all begin 4909ZZLU followed by a three 
letter code for the station plus a digit to distinguish between different 
entrances. For example, 4909ZZLUBNK0 would be an entrance to Bank, while 
4900ZZLUTWH0 would be Tower Hill.

While these do not give you accessibility information, they are all maintained 
by TfL and should give you accurate positional information.

Regards
Stuart

Sent from my iPad

On 8 May 2017, at 21:02, Derick Rethans 
> wrote:

Hi,

I think this is a good idea. We have something UK wide, but doing it a
local way makes a lot of sense (and easier to complete). Happy to do
this "fix the tube network" thing over a few weekends (After the General
Election that is).

cheers,
Derick

On Thu, 4 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote:

Dear Grant, dear all,

thanks for putting on the meeting, and thanks for the sponsored pizza! Good
meeting last night, and god to have met you all.

Following up on the "Missing Maps London" idea, I thought we could may do
some "map challenges" that look at specific things that need work. It might
be a nice community building activity, and provide some continuity between
meetings?

As an experiment, I've formulated one such challenges here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme/Map_Challenges
and added images / interactive maps / help for new mappers.

See what you think and let me know whether there's interest. Results could
be announced at the next meeting?

All the best,
Bjoern


On 30 April 2017 at 17:30, Grant Slater 
> wrote:

Hi All,

We trying a new format OpenStreetMap evening meetup in London this
Wednesday 3rd May 2017... We'd love for you to come along:

https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Q-A-Meetup/events/239366249/

New to OpenStreetMap and want to learn more or need some help getting
started? Already mapping or using OSM and have any Questions or
Challenges or want to see what others are up to? This is the event for
you.

We already have 3 great speakers lined up for the evening:

* Andy Allan - OpenCycleMap / Thunderforest
* Astrid Thorseth - Missing Maps
* Derick Rethans - London Mapper

We have a great venue (bias, I work there), there will be pizza and
soft 

Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham Tree Import

[Paul Norman]

On 4/27/2017 12:26 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:
Apart from some posts  about the problems with email notifications of 
changeset discussions, there has been nothing to indicate where I take 
this import. I guess that's because the initative is really down to me.


I've annotated Harry's Import wiki page 
 
with some comments and ideas. I've copied below what I think are the 
relevant bits from the wiki page and I look forward to resolving the 
issues as I'm keen to complete the import.


Don't forget the need to consult with imports@ as part of the 
consultation with the community.
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[Andrew Hain]

Does it include stations belonging to Network Rail?

--
Andrew

From: Stuart Reynolds 
Sent: 08 May 2017 23:44:56
To: Derick Rethans
Cc: Bjoern Hassler; talk-gb-lon...@openstreetmap.org; osm-gb
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite

Hi All,

For reference, virtually all of the entrances are contained within the London 
NaPTAN data (https://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan) which is the data that begins 
with the prefix 4900. The tube entrances all begin 4909ZZLU followed by a three 
letter code for the station plus a digit to distinguish between different 
entrances. For example, 4909ZZLUBNK0 would be an entrance to Bank, while 
4900ZZLUTWH0 would be Tower Hill.

While these do not give you accessibility information, they are all maintained 
by TfL and should give you accurate positional information.

Regards
Stuart

Sent from my iPad

On 8 May 2017, at 21:02, Derick Rethans 
> wrote:

Hi,

I think this is a good idea. We have something UK wide, but doing it a
local way makes a lot of sense (and easier to complete). Happy to do
this "fix the tube network" thing over a few weekends (After the General
Election that is).

cheers,
Derick

On Thu, 4 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote:

Dear Grant, dear all,

thanks for putting on the meeting, and thanks for the sponsored pizza! Good
meeting last night, and god to have met you all.

Following up on the "Missing Maps London" idea, I thought we could may do
some "map challenges" that look at specific things that need work. It might
be a nice community building activity, and provide some continuity between
meetings?

As an experiment, I've formulated one such challenges here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme/Map_Challenges
and added images / interactive maps / help for new mappers.

See what you think and let me know whether there's interest. Results could
be announced at the next meeting?

All the best,
Bjoern


On 30 April 2017 at 17:30, Grant Slater 
> wrote:

Hi All,

We trying a new format OpenStreetMap evening meetup in London this
Wednesday 3rd May 2017... We'd love for you to come along:

https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Q-A-Meetup/events/239366249/

New to OpenStreetMap and want to learn more or need some help getting
started? Already mapping or using OSM and have any Questions or
Challenges or want to see what others are up to? This is the event for
you.

We already have 3 great speakers lined up for the evening:

* Andy Allan - OpenCycleMap / Thunderforest
* Astrid Thorseth - Missing Maps
* Derick Rethans - London Mapper

We have a great venue (bias, I work there), there will be pizza and
soft drinks provided.

I'd love to hear any suggestions on how we could improve the event or
what works elsewhere.

Kind regards,
Grant

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