Re: [Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Beware of such mass tagging, I also thought this about my area but during 
surveying with
StreetComplete I found some surface=sett and surface=paving_stones and 
surface=concrete roads.

(though it would be true for largest roads)

Nov 13, 2020, 20:24 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org:

> Yes. Just added "surface=asphalt" to all the motor-vehicle roads in my area 
> using JOSM, because every single road here (except service roads)  are paved 
> with asphalt...
>
> -- 
>
>
> 13 Nov 2020, 19:19 by bainton@gmail.com:
>
>>  hmm thank you 
>>
>> This is probably one more occasion where I should graduate to JOSM rather 
>> than sticking with iD - just guessing a bulk edit of all roads in a given 
>> area would be possible?
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, 09:05 Philip Barnes, <>> p...@trigpoint.me.uk>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:32 +, Edward Bainton wrote:
>>>
 Hi all

 I've been reading the wiki  here 
   on 
 conditional restrictions.

 Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can they 
 be on a fragment of way near the restriction sign? 

 Eg, the whole of  Stanwick 
 
  , Northants, is off-limits to 7-tonners. Presumably I don't have to tag 
 every street; but maybe the access/through routes should be tagged all 
 along their length?


>>> Hi Edward
>>> These restrictions are quite common in Leicestershire and are intended to 
>>> prevent lorries using residential areas as a through route.
>>>
>>> They are generally 7.5t and only apply to goods vehicles, not buses or 
>>> coaches.
>>>
>>> They allow access for deliveries, loading.
>>>
>>> We usually use hgv=destination.
>>>
>>> You do need to tag every road within the boundary, not just the main roads 
>>> otherwise you will end up with some very strange routing.
>>>
>>> Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Nov 13, 2020, 10:16 by p...@trigpoint.me.uk:

> On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:36 +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:
>
>> I am pretty sure that I remember checking bridges in my area some time ago, 
>> using a tool that someone kindly provided, which flagged up all bridges, 
>> where the clearance height was not specified in OSM.
>>
>> I regret that I cannot now find the link.   
>>
>>
>>
>
> The isssue with a tool which finds roads under bridges with no maxheight tag 
> is that many are above a legal minimum so have no sign.
>
> Motorway bridges for example.
>
> Maybe we need an unsigned tag so that these can be elimiated?
>
> A hay lorry managed to hit this (unsigned) one a few years ago.
>
StreetComplete is using maxheight=default maxheight=below_default for unsigned
maxheight in places where there is some height limit (for example within 
tunnels).

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxheight#Non-numerical_values
for some alternative tagging styles

And extending this quest to roads under bridges was recently implemented,
though this is not released yet.

See https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/pull/2234 for code.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

Hi Ed,
Yes, that looks like it.
Many thanks for finding it for me; I've been a bit busy in the last few days.
Peter

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The one mentioned on this list in July 2017 perhaps?

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-July/020359.html

  

Ed

  

From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Sent: 13 November 2020 08:37
To: n...@ijive.co.uk; Jez Nicholson 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

  

I am pretty sure that I remember checking bridges in my area some time ago, 
using a tool that someone kindly provided, which flagged up all bridges, where 
the clearance height was not specified in OSM.

  

I regret that I cannot now find the link.   

  

Regards,

Peter

  

  

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 wrote: 

  

  

Added to the Quarterly Project list 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:UK_Quarterly_Project#Bridge_Heights

  

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:56 PM Neil Matthews  
wrote:


https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/network-rail-reveals-most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-09-11-2020/

Saw this and thought it might suit a small virtual project - to 
check/add bridge heights from mapillary images or similar might be useful.

And maybe network rail have a longer list / more info?

Cheers,
Neil



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Re: [Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

[ipswichmapper--- via Talk-GB]

Yes. Just added "surface=asphalt" to all the motor-vehicle roads in my area 
using JOSM, because every single road here (except service roads)  are paved 
with asphalt...
--  


13 Nov 2020, 19:19 by bainton@gmail.com:

>  hmm thank you 
>
> This is probably one more occasion where I should graduate to JOSM rather 
> than sticking with iD - just guessing a bulk edit of all roads in a given 
> area would be possible?
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, 09:05 Philip Barnes, <> p...@trigpoint.me.uk> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:32 +, Edward Bainton wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I've been reading the wiki >>> here 
>>> >> conditional restrictions.
>>>
>>> Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can they be 
>>> on a fragment of way near the restriction sign? 
>>>
>>> Eg, the whole of >>> Stanwick 
>>> >>  , Northants, is off-limits to 7-tonners. Presumably I don't have to tag 
>>> every street; but maybe the access/through routes should be tagged all 
>>> along their length?
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Edward
>> These restrictions are quite common in Leicestershire and are intended to 
>> prevent lorries using residential areas as a through route.
>>
>> They are generally 7.5t and only apply to goods vehicles, not buses or 
>> coaches.
>>
>> They allow access for deliveries, loading.
>>
>> We usually use hgv=destination.
>>
>> You do need to tag every road within the boundary, not just the main roads 
>> otherwise you will end up with some very strange routing.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

[Edward Bainton]

 hmm thank you

This is probably one more occasion where I should graduate to JOSM rather
than sticking with iD - just guessing a bulk edit of all roads in a given
area would be possible?

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, 09:05 Philip Barnes,  wrote:

> On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:32 +, Edward Bainton wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I've been reading the wiki here
>  on
> conditional restrictions.
>
> Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can they
> be on a fragment of way near the restriction sign?
>
> Eg, the whole of Stanwick
> ,
> Northants, is off-limits to 7-tonners. Presumably I don't have to tag every
> street; but maybe the access/through routes should be tagged all along
> their length?
>
> Hi Edward
> These restrictions are quite common in Leicestershire and are intended to
> prevent lorries using residential areas as a through route.
>
> They are generally 7.5t and only apply to goods vehicles, not buses or
> coaches.
>
> They allow access for deliveries, loading.
>
> We usually use hgv=destination.
>
> You do need to tag every road within the boundary, not just the main roads
> otherwise you will end up with some very strange routing.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Ed Loach]

The one mentioned on this list in July 2017 perhaps?

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-July/020359.html

 

Ed

 

From: Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
Sent: 13 November 2020 08:37
To: n...@ijive.co.uk; Jez Nicholson 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

 

I am pretty sure that I remember checking bridges in my area some time ago, 
using a tool that someone kindly provided, which flagged up all bridges, where 
the clearance height was not specified in OSM.

 

I regret that I cannot now find the link.   

 

Regards,

Peter

 

 

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mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:56 PM Neil Matthews mailto:ndmatth...@ndmatthews.plus.com> > wrote:

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/network-rail-reveals-most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-09-11-2020/

Saw this and thought it might suit a small virtual project - to 
check/add bridge heights from mapillary images or similar might be useful.

And maybe network rail have a longer list / more info?

Cheers,
Neil



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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Lester Caine]

On 12/11/2020 23:54, Neil Matthews wrote:

And maybe network rail have a longer list / more info?


https://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/news/18863187.lorry-blocking-badsey-road-getting-stuck/ 



Relevance for this the fact that the lorry has turned towards a disused 
railway line with a low bridge which prevented any recovery vehicle 
accessing from that end and any chance of pulling it out that way 
anyway. It had to be pulled back and exit the way it came in. Whether 
lorries of this size should even be on these roads is another matter :)


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[Talk-GB] Solar PV data snapshot released today

[Dan S]

Hi all,

I'm very pleased to say we've published a snapshot of the OSM UK solar
PV data today.

The journal article:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-020-00739-0
The twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/mclduk/status/1327192431117422595

Some of you may be wondering why a snapshot is needed, when OSM is
there for all to download. Our goal is to make the data maximally
accessible for researchers, data scientists, and people in the power
industry. So the paper and the data release should be easier to
discover, and easier to re-use.

The paper is also partly intended to help data scientists understand
how to work with the OSM community, so that they can improve the data
within OSM whilst also meeting their own goals - i.e. beyond treating
OSM as just a data source.

Best
Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[James Derrick]

On 13/11/2020 09:06, Philip Barnes wrote:

Also I have been thinking of height restrictions on level crossings
where the railway is electrified.

I believe that the East Coast line has level crossings?


After many years looking out of the window travelling from NCL to EDI on 
the East Coast Main Line (ECML is a common abbreviation - e.g. in bridge 
references), I'd give a special mention to the rural level crossings 
which have two poles and a line of suspended bells across the track to 
(hopefully) alert any machinery operators that Something Bad Is About to 
Happen!


'got_bells_on = yes' perhaps? :-)

Sadly, I don't have specific examples, just the memory of countryside, 
likely either side of Berwick.



A little more seriously, several types of infrastructure have 
over-height detection kit - e.g. the Tyne Tunnel has broken beam 
detectors across the carriageway about 1km from the tunnel portal.


Look for the poles with two sets of broken beam kit abode the 30 sign in 
this image:

https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LdqV481D4eAHnvBvrcgKEg

This height restriction is more complex as to add a safety cell 
(evacuation route) to the original Northbound circular bore, the lanes 
were moved off-centre. This means lane 1 has greater clearance than lane 
2 - creating the regular task of replacing the signage above lane 2 when 
a lorry driver decides to illegally overtake! donk, donk, donk, crash...


And yes, the approach bridges are 'got_bells_on = yes':
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/QvgXLAvET7V3xjEdX2Ir_g


The question with the TT is how to tag 5.1 m lane 1 and 4.0 m lane 2 on 
a single highway=trunk; lanes=2?


It's not tagged today, so adding the 5.1m to the trunk would make sense 
as 4.0m would give a false routing.


I'm not personally a fan of the analagous way lane tagging is used to 
model the A1 further north (turn:lanes=through|through|right), as it's 
not human readable on most renders (#include ).



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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:36 +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:
> I am pretty sure that I remember checking bridges in my area some
> time ago, using a tool that someone kindly provided, which flagged up
> all bridges, where the clearance height was not specified in OSM.
> 
> I regret that I cannot now find the link.   
> 

The isssue with a tool which finds roads under bridges with no
maxheight tag is that many are above a legal minimum so have no sign.

Motorway bridges for example.

Maybe we need an unsigned tag so that these can be elimiated?

A hay lorry managed to hit this (unsigned) one a few years ago.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2020-11-12 at 23:54 +, Neil Matthews wrote:
> https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/network-rail-reveals-most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-09-11-2020/
> 
> Saw this and thought it might suit a small virtual project - to 
> check/add bridge heights from mapillary images or similar might be
> useful.
> 
> And maybe network rail have a longer list / more info?
> 
Also I have been thinking of height restrictions on level crossings
where the railway is electrified. 

I believe that the East Coast line has level crossings? 

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:32 +, Edward Bainton wrote:
> Hi all
> I've been reading the wiki here on conditional restrictions.
> 
> Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can
> they be on a fragment of way near the restriction sign? 
> 
> Eg, the whole of Stanwick, Northants, is off-limits to 7-tonners.
> Presumably I don't have to tag every street; but maybe the
> access/through routes should be tagged all along their length?
> 
Hi Edward
These restrictions are quite common in Leicestershire and are intended
to prevent lorries using residential areas as a through route.

They are generally 7.5t and only apply to goods vehicles, not buses or
coaches.

They allow access for deliveries, loading.

We usually use hgv=destination.

You do need to tag every road within the boundary, not just the main
roads otherwise you will end up with some very strange routing.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

I am pretty sure that I remember checking bridges in my area some time ago, 
using a tool that someone kindly provided, which flagged up all bridges, where 
the clearance height was not specified in OSM.
I regret that I cannot now find the link.   
Regards,Peter 

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 Added to the Quarterly Project list 
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:56 PM Neil Matthews  
wrote:

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/network-rail-reveals-most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-09-11-2020/

Saw this and thought it might suit a small virtual project - to 
check/add bridge heights from mapillary images or similar might be useful.

And maybe network rail have a longer list / more info?

Cheers,
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[Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

[Edward Bainton]

Hi all

I've been reading the wiki here
 on
conditional restrictions.

Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can they be
on a fragment of way near the restriction sign?

Eg, the whole of Stanwick
,
Northants, is off-limits to 7-tonners. Presumably I don't have to tag every
street; but maybe the access/through routes should be tagged all along
their length?

Thanks,

edward
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Re: [Talk-GB] Lorries can't limbo

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:56 PM Neil Matthews <
ndmatth...@ndmatthews.plus.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/network-rail-reveals-most-bashed-bridge-in-britain-09-11-2020/
>
> Saw this and thought it might suit a small virtual project - to
> check/add bridge heights from mapillary images or similar might be useful.
>
> And maybe network rail have a longer list / more info?
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
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