Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-18 Thread Andy Robinson
On the basis that the majority of mappers make few edits I suspect that a change to the name would be seen as a correction by the other mapper and the change will remain in perpetuity till someone does the revers again! But I accept your point that if you are been really precise you ideally do

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-18 Thread Adam Snape
Ideally nominatim etc. would recognise that St Mary's Road = St. Mary's Road = Saint Mary's Road but I do tag both if there is a difference in road signs. Church names are more problematic because they and their dedications are signed very inconsistently. I tend to use the form St Somebody's

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-18 Thread Colin Smale
Andy, that sounds reasonable from the perspective of your mapping activities, but it doesn't address the question of the contents of the map. If someone else was at the other end of the street and saw a sign subtly different to yours, we would end up with an inconsistency in the map data and no

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-18 Thread Andy Robinson
I came up with a simple solution for road sign differences very early on in my mapping. I only map the name I see first J . Generally I ignore the sign at the other end of a street unless there has been a complete name change. Cheers Andy From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl]

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-18 Thread Pierre Riteau
If you want to be exhaustive, you can add another spelling variant as alt_name: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name For something as minor as St vs St., if there is no clear winner for a specific street, maybe match style of other streets around? On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, at 18:32, Colin

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-17 Thread Colin Smale
Agreed, however I don't think we should be fussy about minor typographic differences like apostrophes or full stops. There are often variations at this level from sign to sign. If one bit is signed "St." and another bit of the same road is signed "St" I think we should use a single style for

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-17 Thread Andy Robinson
We should be applying the on the ground rule of verification. As in, if looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then there is a better than average chance it is a duck. So if the road sign, church sign or whatever says Saint or St. etc then best to stick to that so as not to offend just as

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-17 Thread Colin Smale
It is pretty obvious in my mind. St is correct, Saint is wrong. Unless there is evidence that Saint is the prevalent spelling on the ground. And I am unanimous in that. A great uncle+aunt of mine used to live in St Nicholas Road, in one of the old Row houses with an outside dunny! Could never

[Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

2017-07-17 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Hi All, I have read and re-read all of the guidance and local rules relating to the use of abbreviations where it would be wrong to expand “St” into “Saint”. It is quite clear that, for the UK, “Saint Ives” is wrong, whereas “St Ives” is correct. There is also one page where I have found “St