Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-23 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/22/2011 10:00 PM, Vincent Privat wrote: 2011/1/22 Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com mailto:michal.bor...@gmail.com In urban regions it is common that a bus line has different routes for the both directions (often one way). This doesn't matter as OSM

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-23 Thread Vincent Privat
2011/1/23 Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com Could you please explain what you mean, because I'm not sure. The links provided show bus routes with nothing difficult in particular. They could be mapped as one relation each, only if bus stops are tagged correctly. I just want to be sure we

[Talk-transit] How routing software works (and why OSM as-is is not ready for routing)

2011-01-23 Thread Michał Borsuk
Hello. A few words how data is stored in routing software stores data and works: both HAFAS (specs not officially published) and GOOGLE TRANSIT (http://code.google.com/transit/spec/transit_feed_specification.html) store *not* actual bus, tram, etc. lines, but each departure from the terminus

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-23 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/22/2011 11:04 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: IMHO not related to the proposal: - potlatch can not handle the proposal/nested relations correctly: The latest version of Potlatch (Potlatch 2) handles nested relations excellently. About 10 seconds' research

[Talk-transit] New proposal to store public transport data

2011-01-23 Thread Michał Borsuk
Continuing on How routing software works (and why OSM as-is is not ready for routing): Coming back to the mapping of bus lines in OSM: you can see now that what is presented to the user, as in the example before (the PDF http://tisseo.fr/sites/default/files/Tisseo_hiv16web.pdf), is a

[Talk-transit] Compatibility of simple public transport schema with existing practice

2011-01-23 Thread Michał Borsuk
Compatibility of the proposal: #Relations: * with two relations per line: merging relations is necessary * with one relation per line: 100% compatibility; if the existing lines contain roles, they would be ignored #Bus stops: * with bus stops: 100% compatibility with existing bus stops

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-23 Thread ant
On 23.01.2011 15:01, Michał Borsuk wrote: Any updates from the wiki front? I have started something: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Cleanup/Public_transport I'll need your help with this, so feel free to edit and discuss. cheers ant

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-23 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) te...@teddy.ch wrote: - stop_area is not needed/too complicated: According to taginfo there are already 64'500 stop area relations in the OSM database (10'500 public transport/oxomoa, 1'500 stop place, 51'500 unified stoparea). I think

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-23 Thread Vincent Privat
Thanks Michal for your explanations, this is greatly appreciated :) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit