Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-11-01 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-10-31 17:59, Greg Troxel wrote: Stephen Sprunk writes: I should point out that "bus lines", "cruise lines", "air lines", etc. are plural when talking about one company (e.g. American Airlines) because they operate a collection of individual lines between specific locations, such as New

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-11-01 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-11-01 06:12, Felix Delattre wrote: On 31/10/16 19:05, Stephen Sprunk wrote: For those not familiar with Transmodel, can you either explain what its terms are for the concepts in question and/or point us to resources that do? I found this PDF on transmodel's definitions and concepts use

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-11-01 Thread Felix Delattre
Thank you all for this great input! On 01/11/16 00:02, Greg Troxel wrote: > "Roger Slevin" writes: >> I have watched this debate over the years - and I keep coming back to >> what I think is a key question for the OSM community ... if there is >> an existing robust standard for public transport i

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
"Roger Slevin" writes: > I have watched this debate over the years - and I keep coming back to > what I think is a key question for the OSM community ... if there is > an existing robust standard for public transport information, then is > it really worth trying to add to OSM a different standar

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Stephen Sprunk writes: > I should point out that "bus lines", "cruise lines", "air lines", > etc. are plural when talking about one company (e.g. American > Airlines) because they operate a collection of individual lines > between specific locations, such as New York-Los Angeles. But one would

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-10-31 11:46, Roger Slevin wrote: The term "LINE" is as awkward for me as it is for everyone else ... because it is describing something which in everyday language has many approximate synonyms. But in the comprehensive European Transmodel (public transport reference data model) standard

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Roger Slevin
the handling of the available information get ever bigger - and the need for robust data models becomes every stronger. Roger -Original Message- From: Stephen Sprunk [mailto:step...@sprunk.org] Sent: 31 October 2016 16:16 To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics Subjec

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 2016-10-31 07:54, Greg Troxel wrote: Felix Delattre writes: I also like them. Thanks, Jo! But isn't "line" an European wording? Would an English native speaker intuitively understand the concepts of "line" and "itinerary"? I always For me (en_US), I find it awkward. I (en_US) find it a

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Felix Delattre
On 31/10/16 13:54, Greg Troxel wrote: > Felix Delattre writes: >> I also like them. Thanks, Jo! >> But isn't "line" an European wording? Would an English native speaker >> intuitively understand the concepts of "line" and "itinerary"? I always > For me (en_US), I find it awkward. The same thing t

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Felix Delattre writes: > I also like them. Thanks, Jo! > But isn't "line" an European wording? Would an English native speaker > intuitively understand the concepts of "line" and "itinerary"? I always For me (en_US), I find it awkward. > thought a "line" is more likely to understand as a netwo

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
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Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Felix Delattre
On 31/10/16 10:05, Roland Olbricht wrote: 1. A general public transport service (e.g. No. 38): In OSM: "route_master" in GTFS: "route" >> >> For me that is a line. It has a line number. (which sometimes is not >> simply >> numeric, so it's more of a symbol, but OK) >> 2. A theoretica

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-31 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hi all, 1. A general public transport service (e.g. No. 38): In OSM: "route_master" in GTFS: "route" For me that is a line. It has a line number. (which sometimes is not simply numeric, so it's more of a symbol, but OK) 2. A theoretical tour a bus takes, but without schedule information, it

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-30 Thread Jo
2016-10-30 21:27 GMT+01:00 Greg Troxel : > > Felix Delattre writes: > > > There are different concepts of routes in OpenStreetMap and GTFS. > > Sometimes they are not existent or ambiguous. > > I am a native speaker of en_US. > > > 1. A general public transport service (e.g. No. 38): > > In OSM:

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-30 Thread Felix Delattre
Thanks for your input, Greg! And how can I make an understandable distinction without using to much computer jargon between: 1. The overall "route" as you were saying ("route_master" in OSM;), it has a number (eg. Route 38) AND (consists of) 2. a subset of route variants ("route" in OSM), one f

Re: [Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Felix Delattre writes: > There are different concepts of routes in OpenStreetMap and GTFS. > Sometimes they are not existent or ambiguous. I am a native speaker of en_US. > 1. A general public transport service (e.g. No. 38): > In OSM: "route_master" in GTFS: "route" I find route_master to be

[Talk-transit] Naming concepts

2016-10-30 Thread Felix Delattre
Hello, I'm currently coding on a osm2gtfs script (https://github.com/grote/osm2gtfs) to make it work in a more generic way for more than one city (for which it was created for initially). And I like my code to be readable and understandable intuitively. Because we are all no native English speaker