User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state
borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the
borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the 19th
century surveyors did with the tools they had. Two obvious examples follow:
On 3/25/2011 3:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705298412/Four-Corners-marker-212-miles-off-Too-late.html
Note the correction to this article:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705299160/Four-Corners-Monument-is-indeed-off-mark.html
I was a little hasty
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to
exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined;
instead they are based on work that the 19th century surveyors
On 3/25/2011 4:17 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to
exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined;
instead they are based
The first of your examples ('015 node) appears to be more accurate than the
node it replaced in one of the ways,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/263660932 which was farther away
from the monument (based on NAIP imagery)
In the second one ('476 node), the changeset improved the position
On 3/25/2011 4:44 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
The first of your examples ('015 node) appears to be more accurate than the
node it replaced in one of the ways,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/263660932 which was farther away
from the monument (based on NAIP imagery)
In the second one ('476
Thank you for the apology.
I don't think that revert is going to happen though. Even if I agreed
that this was the solution, it would be a nightmare. I did a lot of
boundary work in that changeset involving splitting circular county
border ways, creating relations, deleting superfluous nodes and
On 3/25/2011 5:43 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
Thank you for the apology.
I don't think that revert is going to happen though. Even if I agreed
that this was the solution, it would be a nightmare. I did a lot of
boundary work in that changeset involving splitting circular county
border ways, creating
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
...
I'd say that reverting the border fix changeset would be wrong, given the
number of problems it fixed with the borders. I'd say it was definitely
wrong to attempt to revert it over ToeBee's objections.
+1
I would say
On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary
relations to fix the duplicated county/state boundaries.
I would say it's more important to have the border in the right place
(at least such that all roads in one state are on the
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote:
On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary
relations to fix the duplicated county/state boundaries.
I would say it's more important to have the
On 3/25/2011 8:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating
boundary
relations to fix
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote:
On 3/25/2011 8:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
I would say that a better
* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2011-03-25 08:04 -0400]:
I would say it's more important to have the border in the right
place (at least such that all roads in one state are on the correct
side).
So either fix it or *politely* ask the person who made the change to fix
the alignment.
so i'm looking at address interpolation ways here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:interpolation
and while it's straightforward enough to use with nodes with address
tags, i see no examples of using interpolation ways with building polygons.
can anyone point me to any examples of
On 3/25/2011 12:07 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
so i'm looking at address interpolation ways here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:interpolation
and while it's straightforward enough to use with nodes with address
tags, i see no examples of using interpolation ways with building
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
That's nowhere near the extent of the damage.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=83787064 is supposed to be on the state
line. On
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/250k/txu-pclmaps-topo-us-moab-1962.jpg
(a bit
On 3/25/2011 12:28 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
Yep, it is off by a couple hundred meters in some places. When I get
home tonight I will download the latest Census shapefile and align the
Colorado border to it by hand. A brief check shows that this data does
have the border going through the monuments
Check Washington, DC out. Lots and lots of building with addresses.
- Serge
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On 3/25/11 1:18 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
Check Washington, DC out. Lots and lots of building with addresses.
buildings with addresses participating in address interpolation ways?
richard
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
On 3/25/11 1:18 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
Check Washington, DC out. Lots and lots of building with addresses.
buildings with addresses participating in address interpolation ways?
Oops. Serves me right for not
* Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net [2011-03-25 12:07 -0400]:
i see no examples of using interpolation ways with building polygons.
can anyone point me to any examples of this?
The only time I've mixed the two has been with stripmall-style buildings
where there are a series of businesses in
Nathan,
I read on the Talk US forum that I have made a mistake on a
state boundary near Four Corners. Specifically, you said I had
screwed up the border. It would have been helpful if you had
contacted me directly and worked with me to fix that mistake. I wish
you had given me the
On 3/25/11 1:36 PM, Phil! Gold wrote:
* Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net [2011-03-25 12:07 -0400]:
i see no examples of using interpolation ways with building polygons.
can anyone point me to any examples of this?
The only time I've mixed the two has been with stripmall-style buildings
On 3/25/11 1:53 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
Also, before you post publicly that someone in OSM has screwed up, I
think that, at the least, you should discuss the situation with that
person off-list. Using terms, such as screwed up, is not helpful to
our mutual effort of creating an open-source
+1
Please discuss errors with users off-list first. There may be occasions for
publicly shaming someone, (e.g. deliberate vandalism) but honest mistakes do
not meet this threshold.
Thanks,
-- SEJ
t: @geomantics: sejohnson8
A serious and good philosophical work could be written
Thought that the US and Canada might be interested in this:
http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2011/03/ito-map-extended-to-cover-usa-canada.html
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I'd like to apologize for specifically naming ToeBee and Techlady in
subject lines, and any connotation that may have been attached to
screwup. The former was my error at reading the tea leaves of node
histories, and the latter was Techlady's error but perhaps my overreaction.
If this sounds
The western border has been aligned. I'm not in the business of making
guarantees but in general I believe the error should be under 10
meters, compared to the TIGER shapefile. And yes, the shapefile has
the border running a few meters to the north of the center of the Four
Corners Monument,
At 2011-03-25 14:54, Coast, Hurricane wrote:
Thought that the US and Canada
might be interested in this:
http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2011/03/ito-map-extended-to-cover-usa-canada.html
Great tool for visualizing speed limits, FIXMEs, layers, etc.!
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to apologize for specifically naming ToeBee and Techlady in subject
lines, and any connotation that may have been attached to screwup. The
former was my error at reading the tea leaves of node histories, and
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