Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-08-20 09:46, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/20/2011 12:42 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that because we deal with only one states routes. Postal code prefixes for all routes makes the most sense. My understanding

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-08-20 12:34, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/20/2011 3:29 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: Because some states officially designate the road as SR-26, for instance. I'd say most states do. That doesn't mean, though, we have to copy it. The SR is assumed. Not to mention states like Texas,

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Henk Hoff
Op 21 aug. 2011, om 15:21 heeft Alan Mintz het volgende geschreven: My understanding was that there are two options for California SR-60: 1) network=US:CA + ref=60 2) ref=CA 60 Reminds me: there are two ref-tags. One on the relation, one on the way. The suggestion of Alan would fit

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-08-21 06:56, Henk Hoff wrote: A suggestion: - ... When the road is part of multiple routes, the main route is used. That could be: ** a higher classification prevails (US over state) ** the continuous route prevails (if route x uses part of route y to get to it's next section, then

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 1:57 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: Putting every single route-label in the ref-tag is not a good idea. Putting every single route-label in the ref-tag is the way we do things. If you don't like it, you can always find a different country to armchair-map (most countries don't have route

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/21/2011 9:21 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: My understanding was that there are two options for California SR-60: 1) network=US:CA + ref=60 2) ref=CA 60 SR 60 is a good example, since it overlaps I-215 in Riverside.

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-08-21 10:29, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/21/2011 9:21 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: My understanding was that there are two options for California SR-60: 1) network=US:CA + ref=60 2) ref=CA 60 SR 60 is a good example, since it overlaps I-215 in Riverside. The network tag won't work here,

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Shared routes use semi-colons, like any other multi-use object. ref=CA 60;I 215 or network=US:CA;US:I ref=60;215 Difficult to maintain for mappers and harder to consume for use. Use simply tagged relations

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Shared routes use semi-colons, like any other multi-use object. ref=CA 60;I 215 or network=US:CA;US:I ref=60;215 Difficult to

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-08-21 10:57, Henk Hoff wrote: For every rule we can find exceptions. In this case, I will guess the exceptions (shared routes) are less than 5% of the ways. The basic idea behind the decision-tree was: use the most important / most logical route for the way-ref tag. If you know

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/21/2011 2:22 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: As someone pointed out, once you put them in a relation, the tags on the ways become duplicative. While this is generally bad database design, it's also true that many consumers don't deal with relations, and so we need the duplication and the problems

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Henk Hoff
For starters, this is a more constructive response than the go away. Thanks. There is a ref-tag on a way and a ref-tag in the relation. Although they are both called ref, that does not directly mean they're the same. My suggestion: use the way-ref for the most important one. If you want to know

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Andrew S. Sawyer
I think one route tag as a primary would work in NH as the DOT uses primary routes on mile markers for the freeways. Relations can handle showing the other routes. Andrew Andrew S. Sawyer Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com Date:

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Alan Millar
On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: If you don't like it, you can always find a different country to armchair-map That's a little harsh. Where do you live now? New Jersey? Florida? Portland? L.A.? I can't keep track, but you sure get around to read a lot of signage.

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 8/21/2011 2:22 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: As someone pointed out, once you put them in a relation, the tags on the ways become duplicative. While this is generally bad database design, it's also true that many consumers

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 8/21/2011 4:34 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I really don't understand this logic. I have never run into a case where JOSM has broken a relation in a way that wasn't obvious to me. Obviously I don't get around as much as

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Sent again; sorry to people who receive multiple copies due to moderation. On 8/21/2011 4:34 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I really don't understand this logic. I have never run into a case where JOSM has broken a relation in a way that wasn't obvious to me. Obviously I don't get around as much as you,