Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 31.12.2012 06:49, Steve Coast wrote: Therefore I don't see why each country or state (i.e. Mass. and their own imports) can't have it's own solution which reflects the cultural realities there. Your argument seems to be, essentially, that the cultural reality "there" is that they have

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steve Coast
On Dec 31, 2012, at 3:21 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 31.12.2012 06:49, Steve Coast wrote: >> Therefore I don't see why each >> country or state (i.e. Mass. and their own imports) can't have it's >> own solution which reflects the cultural realities there. > > Your argument seems to b

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Jeff Meyer
Why does "imports" mean "not crowdsourced," if the crowd determines which imports are source-able? Why doesn't public-domain data that the crowd has funded count as crowdsourced? No one has been able to provide directly observable & verifiable information about Ptolemy, yet there is still a Wikip

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steve Coast
On Dec 31, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Jeff Meyer wrote: > My concern about this entire discussion is that the whole import vs community > argument is employed even when there is a community behind an import. … by people outside that community living on a different continent. I mean, I wish I had time t

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: > Why does "imports" mean "not crowdsourced," if the crowd determines which > imports are source-able? Crowdsourced means that we survey the data indivdually. > Why doesn't public-domain data that the crowd has funded count as > crowdsourced?

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Randal Hale
Apparently my last reply was rejected from the Moderation police - and it was probably a good thing... Low wage? Low Skilled? Do as little as possible? That's not a good description of public domain data or how that data came into existence. There's a lot of good data collected by skilled peop

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Randal Hale wrote: > Apparently my last reply was rejected from the Moderation police - and it > was probably a good thing... > > Low wage? Low Skilled? Do as little as possible? That's not a good > description of public domain data or how that data came into exist

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: >> Why does "imports" mean "not crowdsourced," if the crowd determines which >> imports are source-able? > > Crowdsourced means that we survey the data indivdually. > >> Why doesn't pub

[Talk-us] An admin_level for CDPs?

2012-12-31 Thread stevea
I have been pondering the use of the admin_level key in the USA, and have come to the realization that while values 2, 4, 6 and 8 are correct for national, state, county and city boundaries (respectively), it is more complicated than that. It is likely time to end the pretending this oversim

Re: [Talk-us] An admin_level for CDPs?

2012-12-31 Thread Richard Welty
funny you should bring this up, i've been pondering CDPs a bit lately and have come to very different conclusions from yours. On 12/31/12 3:30 PM, stevea wrote: I have been pondering the use of the admin_level key in the USA, and have come to the realization that while values 2, 4, 6 and 8 are

Re: [Talk-us] An admin_level for CDPs?

2012-12-31 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2012-12-31 12:30 PM, stevea wrote: However, there are boundary polygons in OSM which are an odd duck in the USA: a notable one is Census Designated Places (CDPs), which came from the TIGER import. These are a bit like cities in that they are often a similar size and population of a town or r

Re: [Talk-us] An admin_level for CDPs?

2012-12-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 12/31/12 5:12 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: I'd argue that not all governmental boundaries need to be tagged as boundary=administrative. In Ohio, we've started to retag CDP boundaries with boundary=census and place=locality but without admin_level. [1][2] They still show up in Nominatim as locali

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Russ Nelson
Steve Coast writes: > Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. Nobody ever tells me about Waze. > Today it's hard to convince any consumer they should do so over > google or waze. Go to anybody who travels through bad cell coverage. Show them OSMAnd on a Nexu

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Steve Coast
On Dec 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Steve Coast writes: >> Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. > > Nobody ever tells me about Waze. You live in upstate New York, dude. :-) Steve ___ Talk-us mail

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 12/31/12 9:38 PM, Steve Coast wrote: On Dec 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: Steve Coast writes: Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. Nobody ever tells me about Waze. You live in upstate New York, dude. :-) beyond upstate. Russ might as wel

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: > The result is that the data quality varies *a lot* and no one > should take it (or any data source) as gospel, just as OSM data is > not gospel. New York State has 62 counties, and only have bad TIGER data in about 8 of them. The rest are frankly, gorgeous. -- --my

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Russ Nelson
Steve Coast writes: > On Dec 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > > > Steve Coast writes: > >> Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably 10. > > > > Nobody ever tells me about Waze. > > You live in upstate New York, dude. :-) I have a 100Mbps Intarweb

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Welty writes: > On 12/31/12 9:38 PM, Steve Coast wrote: > > On Dec 31, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > > > >> Steve Coast writes: > >>> Waze, last time I looked, was 5 times larger than OSM. Today, probably > >>> 10. > >> Nobody ever tells me about Waze. > > You live in ups

Re: [Talk-us] Imports - an attempt to explain

2012-12-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 12/20/2012 10:50 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: Now, the flip side of your idea of collaboration is that I knew about OSM, knew that my county was largely empty, and knew that TIGER would be a great starting point. So I DID NOT do any editing until TIGER got uploaded. Your theory is great, but I'm a r

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-31 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, > * Another is, the threat of importing crappy TIGER ranges is motivating people > to go look at available county data. That is fantastic. So as Ian alluded > to pushing the conversation forward is itself a motivator The reason why I pushed the building import is that I am worried about som