On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/21/2010 07:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>>> The point of admin_level is *not* primarily to record which governments
>>> are
>>> above another. It’s to indicate which governments across dif
On 10/21/2010 07:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
On 10/21/2010 08:06 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Greg Troxelwrote:
So if we have whole-multiple-counties=5 (eg
NYC) county=6 township=7 city/town=8 then it would make sense
e
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/21/2010 08:06 AM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>>
>>> So if we have whole-multiple-counties=5 (eg
>>> NYC) county=6 township=7 city/town=8 then it would make sense
>>> everywhere.
>>
>> What w
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 03:59 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> Can someone please turn off my need to constantly enter a capatcha
>> (User:User_5528)?
>
> Is it because you’re adding external references? That always triggers a
> CAPTCHA…
I can't be marked as a con
On 10/20/2010 03:59 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
At the very least it would be nice to have a table outlining exactly
what "municipality" or "minor civil division" means for each state.
Is there one somewhere already? Should I start one?
http://wiki.open
On 10/20/2010 03:59 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
At the very least it would be nice to have a table outlining exactly
what "municipality" or "minor civil division" means for each state.
Is there one somewhere already? Should I start one?
http://wiki.open
On 10/20/2010 03:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_civil_division
So far all (three) of the states I've checked fit fine with
admin_level=6 for county equivalent, and admin_level=8 for
municipality.
I’ve recorded what I’ve found at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki
Maine still has unincorporated cartesian townships with names like
"Township 7 Range 4".
This is timber country with few permanent settlements.
A few have recieved names, likely by incorporation (idk).
iirc, in Maine the legal difference between "town" and "city" is as in
Mass from which it separ
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
> So if we have whole-multiple-counties=5 (eg
> NYC) county=6 township=7 city/town=8 then it would make sense
> everywhere.
What would be an example of a township that would be at admin_level=7?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Greg Troxel wro
Nathan Edgars II writes:
> Read the link you provided: "In the remaining nine town or township
> states (Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota,
> Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Wisconsin), there is no
> geographic overlapping of these two kinds of units." (
Nathan Edgars II writes:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>> On 10/20/2010 03:14 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>>
>>> Only in those 11 states, right?
>>>
>>> I'm surprised admin level isn't already handled defined on a state by
>>> state level.
>>
>> Why treat it differently depending
This discussion, although amazingly lengthy is seeming useful. Someone
already explained that much of New England is different from most of the
United States in terms of not having unicorporated areas, and it might
help to explain details.
In Massachusetts, we have counties. Counties don't do t
On 10/20/2010 05:51 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
I’d put town at 7, city and village at 8, based on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_New_York#Town and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_New_York#Village
Spec
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2010 05:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Why can't something with admin_level=x cross a border with admin_level
>>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>> On 10/20/2010 05:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>>>
>>> Why can't something with admin_level=x cross a border with admin_level
>>> less than x? There are a lot of cities that are in mo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> I’d put town at 7, city and village at 8, based on
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_New_York#Town and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_New_York#Village
>
> Specifically, "Villages are a third l
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 05:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>>
>> Why can't something with admin_level=x cross a border with admin_level
>> less than x? There are a lot of cities that are in more than one
>> county.
>
> Agreed, though I think New York City
On 10/20/2010 05:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Why can't something with admin_level=x cross a border with admin_level
less than x? There are a lot of cities that are in more than one
county.
Agreed, though I think New York City is a special case since it actually
encompasses several counties
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>> Oh, I'm only planning on doing PA, NJ, and FL. Also maybe NY, as it's
>>> the other one of the four states I've lived in.
>>
>> Okay, well, I
On 10/20/2010 05:13 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
Oh, I'm only planning on doing PA, NJ, and FL. Also maybe NY, as it's
the other one of the four states I've lived in.
Okay, well, I started New York, and c
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> Oh, I'm only planning on doing PA, NJ, and FL. Also maybe NY, as it's
>> the other one of the four states I've lived in.
>
> Okay, well, I started New York, and concluded that it doesn't fit into
Not that it matters greatly for this discussion, but in Minnesota
municipalities do include cities and townships. Ex:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?year=2010&id=462.352 (subd. 2) or
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=200.02 (subd. 9). Definitions
aren't the same in every state...
On W
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
> Oh, I'm only planning on doing PA, NJ, and FL. Also maybe NY, as it's
> the other one of the four states I've lived in.
Okay, well, I started New York, and concluded that it doesn't fit into
the design of admin_levels.
---
"[New York City] consis
Anthony writes:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> At the very least it would be nice to have a table outlining exactly
>> what "municipality" or "minor civil division" means for each state.
>> Is there one somewhere already? Should I start one?
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.o
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Brad Neuhauser
wrote:
> To save you some work, you might look at this report, Government
> Organization, published in 2002 by the
> Census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/gc021x1.pdf
Oh, I'm only planning on doing PA, NJ, and FL. Also maybe NY, as it's
the o
To save you some work, you might look at this report, Government
Organization, published in 2002 by the Census:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/gc021x1.pdf
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
> > At the very least it would be nic
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>> Okay, here's another wrench to throw in:
>>>
>>> In Pennsylvania: "School districts can comprise of one single
>>> municipality, like
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> Okay, here's another wrench to throw in:
>>
>> In Pennsylvania: "School districts can comprise of one single
>> municipality, like the School District of Philadelphia or can comprise
>>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
> Okay, here's another wrench to throw in:
>
> In Pennsylvania: "School districts can comprise of one single
> municipality, like the School District of Philadelphia or can comprise
> of multiple municipalities."
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loca
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 03:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>>>
>>> admin_level=7 it is.
>>
>> Only in those states, of course. In Pennsylvania and New Jersey (and
>> apparently the Dakotas?) it should remain admin_level=8.
>
> Why the Dakotas?
Read the li
Okay, here's another wrench to throw in:
In Pennsylvania: "School districts can comprise of one single
municipality, like the School District of Philadelphia or can comprise
of multiple municipalities."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Pennsylvania)
So, are Pennsylvania school d
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> > On 10/20/2010 03:01 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> >>
> >> Townships are at the same level as cities/towns/villages/other
> >> municipalities[1], [2]. I’m sure someone correct me if I’m wron
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
> At the very least it would be nice to have a table outlining exactly
> what "municipality" or "minor civil division" means for each state.
> Is there one somewhere already? Should I start one?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_muni
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 03:24 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>>
>> Not all US states use the same administrative hierarchy.
>
> Yeah, but for example we use the same admin_level regardless of whether it’s
> called a county, a borough, or a parish; or a towns
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
> None of this has anything to do with place=*, which discusses
> settlements, not administrative divisions.
IOW, a municipality may also be a settlement, but then, it may not be.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/20
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 03:14 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> Only in those 11 states, right?
>>
>> I'm surprised admin level isn't already handled defined on a state by
>> state level.
>
> Why treat it differently depending on the state?
Because states do thin
Anthony writes:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>> On 10/20/2010 03:01 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>>>
>>> Townships are at the same level as cities/towns/villages/other
>>> municipalities[1], [2]. I’m sure someone correct me if I’m wrong, but my
>>> understanding is you won’t fin
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 03:01 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>>
>> Townships are at the same level as cities/towns/villages/other
>> municipalities[1], [2]. I’m sure someone correct me if I’m wrong, but my
>> understanding is you won’t find a chunk of land that is
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Peter Budny wrote:
> Anthony writes:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Peter Budny wrote:
>>> Anthony writes:
>>>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:
> There are townships in other states that are managed differently, but in
>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 03:01 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
>>
>> Townships are at the same level as cities/towns/villages/other
>> municipalities[1], [2]. I’m sure someone correct me if I’m wrong, but my
>> understanding is you won’t find a chunk of land that is
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Peter Budny wrote:
> Anthony writes:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:
>>> There are townships in other states that are managed differently, but in PA
>>> and NJ, they are just county subdivisions, and are not points to put on a
>>> map.
>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Peter Budny wrote:
> Anthony writes:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:
>>> There are townships in other states that are managed differently, but in PA
>>> and NJ, they are just county subdivisions, and are not points to put on a
>>> map.
>
On 10/20/2010 02:42 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
Perhaps we need to shift the discussion to actually figuring out a better
replacement for place=*?
place=incorporated?
I’d try to find something that wouldn’t exclude unincorporated
communiti
Anthony writes:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:
>> There are townships in other states that are managed differently, but in PA
>> and NJ, they are just county subdivisions, and are not points to put on a
>> map.
>
> I think you're right here, though I probably would indica
Alex Mauer writes:
> On 10/20/2010 01:43 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> I guess that Tübingen is more known to the average German then
>> Reutlingen, but that's just a guess. As written before, traditionally
>> cartographers gave more importance to Tübingen, while in current
>> automated inter
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> Perhaps we need to shift the discussion to actually figuring out a better
> replacement for place=*?
place=incorporated?
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote:
> There are townships in other states that are managed differently, but in PA
> and NJ, they are just county subdivisions, and are not points to put on a
> map.
I think you're right here, though I probably would indicate the
township boundaries
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> (4) some people correctly use the place=* tag to reflect the government of
> a place rather than the population because they put the population in the
> population=* tag.
Fixed for you.
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Pennsylvania township administrative lines were added with the Tiger 2000
import, they do not have point data associated with them, and I have found
them to be mostly correct in location. I don't believe there is any reason
to add these municipalities as places on the map as point data, for they d
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Brad Neuhauser
> wrote:
> > From the place page:
> > "In most Western countries, the status of a location (whether it is a
> > city/town/etc.), is decided by the government, and is not a function of
> >
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Brad Neuhauser
wrote:
> From the place page:
> "In most Western countries, the status of a location (whether it is a
> city/town/etc.), is decided by the government, and is not a function of
> size. ***But most OSM communities of those countries have made a conven
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Peter Budny wrote:
> "Andrew S. J. Sawyer" writes:
>
> > My thoughts are mixed in below.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:17, Peter Budny wrote:
> >
> > Antony Pegg writes:
> >
> > > tagging admin area / populated centers / labels in USA seems to
> >
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:02 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2010/10/20 Brad Neuhauser :
> > Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things?
> > admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to
> > mark a...well...place that has a name, and the
> > pla
Aren't admin_level and place getting at slightly different things?
admin_level is to mark official political/legal boundaries. place is to
mark a...well...place that has a name, and the
place=city|town|village|hamlet does not necessarily align with the type of
government (if any) of the place. F
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Antony Pegg wrote:
> The problem is that currently we dont have a discrete tag for place=township
> and all admin_level= are =8
>
> so, half a question, half a statement of intent, unless someone argues me
> down from the ledge...
>
> I'm going to start using place
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