They could all have `operator:wikidata=Q7414497`, then there is no confusion.
A dataset of all operators in OSM linked to wikidata QIDs will be coming soon,
I promise!
We already have this for brands, and it’s pretty rad: https://nsi.guide
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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:01
Is there a way that the alt_name vs name situation can be sorted for a
key like "operator"?
For example, the "San Jose Unified School District" in California gives
too few results in overpass. Add queries for "San José Unified School
District" and you are good.
If I was looking at the
Thanks, Tod.
BTW, I believe the "official_name" for all California counties is now
in the format "County of Los Angeles", right? This shouldn't be used
for the "name=" since almost everyone still puts the County last (e.g.
"Los Angeles County") in common usage, but official documents will use
the
Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are
doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value to
be a short_name value for the counties in California and Arizona where the
current alt_name tag is the same string as the name but without
It's fine to use short_name= if that's a commonly-used shorter name
for a feature, which might be used by a renderer when they want a more
concise name for rendering, for example, and which is still a name
that is in use locally.
I'm just mentioning that it's not necessary to add this to help
Right: I've wondered if short_name would be appropriate in this case. Our
wiki says short_name would work, Joseph says "not," though I suppose it is
ultimately up to the search machinery and what it does. If, indeed, as Joseph
says, it already does this (or "they" already do this), the need
It's not necessary to add an alternative like "Josephine" if the name=
is already "Josephine County" because geocoding and search application
already know to search for part of a name.
For example this search already finds the "Josephine County"
administrative boundary as the first result:
I truly love the level of detail we get "coming out of the woodwork" so that we
may have excellent real-life examples to share with one another (and +1 to one
another, too!)
To be brief about it (rare for me, I endeavor to get better): good examples,
discussion / dialog and sharing our
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kevin Kenny
wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:11 PM stevea wrote:
> > The myriad variations of "name" (alt, loc, nat, old, reg, official,
> sorting, int...) show how complex this is. The issues go back many years
> and will likely continue well into the
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 12:09 PM stevea wrote:
> The myriad variations of "name" (alt, loc, nat, old, reg, official,
> sorting, int...) show how complex this is. The issues go back many years
> and will likely continue well into the future, indeed many participants in
> this/these thread(s) are
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kevin Kenny wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:01 PM Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Did you mean to use "old_name" instead of "alt_name"?
>
> When the locals keep using an old name for decades, without regard for
> official signage to the contrary, at what point does an
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:11 PM stevea wrote:
> The myriad variations of "name" (alt, loc, nat, old, reg, official, sorting,
> int...) show how complex this is. The issues go back many years and will
> likely continue well into the future, indeed many participants in this/these
> thread(s)
The myriad variations of "name" (alt, loc, nat, old, reg, official, sorting,
int...) show how complex this is. The issues go back many years and will
likely continue well into the future, indeed many participants in this/these
thread(s) are authors of our wiki's name page.
Better documenting,
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 12:56 AM Greg Morgan wrote:
> Please don't remove the alt_name tags. They are useful and not that much
> of a distraction or an error For example, a new freeway was just renamed
> for a congress person that helped with many AZ transportation projects. I
> added the
Like some things in computer science / database searching / software-based
cartography, this feels like yet another "do our best to document, code,
data-enter and find what works / doesn't work, then lather-rinse-repeat." As
long as we document (in wiki, in the map, in practice) that we
stevea writes:
> Also, I find that "alt_name" works well for abbreviated county names,
> as in California in certain contexts, the name of a county without the
> word "county" appended unambiguously communicates a geography to
> someone. (As in "From this part of Amador (county), you'll have to
Tod Fitch writes:
> I’ve noticed that a number of counties in California and Arizona have
> what seems to be unneeded alt_name tags in their boundary
> relations. For example Pima County, Arizona has name=“Pima County” and
> alt_name=“Pima”. Same for Pinal County in Arizona and Riverside,
>
On December 25, 2019 at 11:46:47 PM PST Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> > new freeway was just renamed for a congress person
>
> In this case “official_name=“ with the whole congresspersons name would be
> good, keeping the commonly-used name in “name=“.
Minh and I earlier this year were
In your case the name (Congressman Ed Pastor Freeway) is quite different than
the alt_name (South Mountain Freeway). I am not sure what the signage is on the
ground (I won’t be driving through there for another few months) but this is
what I’d expect the alt_name to be used for.
However it is
I would use rather short_name.
But I see no valid reason for removing then.
Have you alerted this active user that you
started conversation about his/her mapping?
26 Dec 2019, 02:25 by t...@fitchfamily.org:
> I’ve noticed that a number of counties in California and Arizona have what
> seems
> new freeway was just renamed for a congress person
In this case “official_name=“ with the whole congresspersons name would be
good, keeping the commonly-used name in “name=“.
-Joseph
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Please don't remove the alt_name tags. They are useful and not that much
of a distraction or an error For example, a new freeway was just renamed
for a congress person that helped with many AZ transportation projects. I
added the alt_name tag so that the South Mountain Freeway can still be
I’ve noticed that a number of counties in California and Arizona have what
seems to be unneeded alt_name tags in their boundary relations. For example
Pima County, Arizona has name=“Pima County” and alt_name=“Pima”. Same for Pinal
County in Arizona and Riverside, Orange, Kern and Ventura
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