Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2014-06-03 11:46, Simon Poole wrote: Am 03.06.2014 17:48, schrieb Mike N: Further the area not being surveyed implies that all the value add that we can offer a cyclist is not there (surface, lanes, shoulders etc). Blocking bike routes until everything is surveyed is not realistic - we'd

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/03/2014 02:38 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: If you see something, map something I think one of the bones of contention here was that there's not really anything to *see* that could be mapped. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2014-06-02 13:24, Simon Poole wrote: @stevea you would substantially help your cause if the route data was available for inspection, best a public source from where it could be obtained. Here are the special committee minutes approving the routes (along with various U.S. route

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread Simon Poole
Am 03.06.2014 10:42, schrieb Minh Nguyen: On 2014-06-02 13:24, Simon Poole wrote: @stevea you would substantially help your cause if the route data was available for inspection, best a public source from where it could be obtained. Here are the special committee minutes approving the

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread Kerry Irons
@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers Simon Poole writes: Am 02.06.2014 06:28, schrieb Russ Nelson: . Let's say that I follow this route on my bicycle using a cue sheet and keep a GPS track. Then I load my GPS

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Simon Poole writes: Route USBR 10 nicely illustrates my point about GIGO. It starts of in untouched TIGER country and continues. Best way to get something mapped is to draw attention to it. That's what Steve is trying to do. Can we move on now, and stop calling this an import? Permissionless

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread Mikel Maron
 Stop with the stop energy already! +1    Permissionless innovation -- that's what OSM is all about. Right.  This is a totally weird, overstepping of authority, unnecessary discussion. There's nothing wrong or damaging happening here. In fact, some very conscientious efforts to improve OSM. I

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread Mike N
On 6/3/2014 5:34 AM, Simon Poole wrote: Route USBR 10 nicely illustrates my point about GIGO. It starts of in untouched TIGER country and continues. Implying that nothing has been surveyed along the route, clearly requiring large amounts of clean up before even thinking about adding the roads to

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread stevea
Martijn van Exel writes: No more of this please. I'd place this thread under moderation if I could, but since Ian is on vacation, I will have to rely on you all to do the right thing and take this wholly inappropriate mode of discussion offline. I appreciate and accept your excellent advice,

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-03 Thread stevea
Simon Poole writes: (The approved USBRs in OSM could) provide some show casing of why OSM is better, instead of worse. Thank you, Simon! I'll even go one better than that: OSM might be the best data set in the world of national bicycle network routes, at least in the UK and the USA. That

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-02 Thread Martijn van Exel
No more of this please. I'd place this thread under moderation if I could, but since Ian is on vacation, I will have to rely on you all to do the right thing and take this wholly inappropriate mode of discussion offline. Martijn On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-02 Thread Simon Poole
Am 02.06.2014 06:28, schrieb Russ Nelson: . Let's say that I follow this route on my bicycle using a cue sheet and keep a GPS track. Then I load my GPS track into JOSM and create a relation and call it USBRS #47 (or whatever). How is this an import?? While

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-02 Thread Simon Poole
@stevea you would substantially help your cause if the route data was available for inspection, best a public source from where it could be obtained. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-02 Thread Mike N
On 6/2/2014 3:27 PM, Simon Poole wrote: To put it differently: if the import was combined with systematic surveying of the routes by OSM contributors instead of them just sitting at their desk then it would be a lot more palatable. I think the appeal to local mappers to pitch in with the new

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Simon Poole writes: Am 02.06.2014 06:28, schrieb Russ Nelson: . Let's say that I follow this route on my bicycle using a cue sheet and keep a GPS track. Then I load my GPS track into JOSM and create a relation and call it USBRS #47 (or whatever).

[Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-01 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Russ, My opinion is that this is a single data source issue. Unlike other data that we collect, there is nothing in the ground indicating the existence of this as a route. There's no sign indicating where the route is, so there's be no way to collect this data other than by looking at an external

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-01 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, Bike Route 1 on Cape Cod, MA is signed. I saw a bunch of them last summer biking around on vacation. In my opinion at this point the new routes should go through the import process, but given that signs are already up, and over time more are sure to come, I don't see any problem having the

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-06-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: My opinion is that this is a single data source issue. Unlike other data that we collect, there is nothing in the ground indicating the existence of this as a route. There's no sign indicating where the route is, so there's be no way to collect this data other than