Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-22 Thread Peter Davies
Same thing that I did with OSM's I 35;I 80 around Des Moines, Iowa, correcting it to I 80;I 35 a few months ago. The exit numbers and mileposts confirm that this route has always been seen as I 80 by IADOT and Iowa State Patrol, since its first stretches were opened in 1958-59.

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-22 Thread Kerry Irons
[mailto:peter.dav...@crc-corp.com] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:53 PM To: Kerry Irons Cc: Tod Fitch; Martijn van Exel; OSM US Talk; Richard Welty; Eric Fischer Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept Kerry

[Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Peter Davies
I think it useful to spin off this topic from the long and still unfinished debate about directional roles in relations. I hope it can be agreed more quickly than the cardinal directional roles issue! The question is how to handle US roadway routes that are double, triple or even quad-banded,

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Eric Fischer
This would match how people usually talk about things like I-465 around Indianapolis, ignoring all the other routes that are also routed along it, but it doesn't work quite so well when there are co-signed routes that persist for long distances where people refer to the paired name. I think

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Peter Davies
Eric Perhaps it would be ok still to code these few exceptions that are known equally by two route designators as US 1;US 9 in NJ or US 12;US 18 in WI, but to simplify the vast majority of routes where the secondary banding is less important? My aim is to announce traffic problems the way the

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Kerry Irons
; Richard Welty; OSM US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept Eric Perhaps it would be ok still to code these few exceptions that are known equally by two route designators as US 1;US 9 in NJ or US 12;US

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Peter Davies
- From: Peter Davies [mailto:peter.dav...@crc-corp.com] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:45 PM To: Eric Fischer Cc: Martijn van Exel; Richard Welty; OSM US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Peter Davies wrote: The question is how to handle US roadway routes that are double, triple or even quad-banded, having multiple route designators. Some OSM mappers call this topic route overlaps. I might call it information overload. On most maps,

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Tod Fitch
On Dec 21, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Peter Davies wrote: Kerry snip It's also perfectly fine if we want to keep all of the secondary designators in the ways' ref tags, as long as the most important one is presented first. We can easily ignore the less important numbers. But without a way ref

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Peter Davies
Tod, I found a common stretch of CA 108 and CA 120 between Oakdale and Yosemite Junction in Tuolumne County. I'm not sure if that's the double-banded section you mention. As Eric Fischer said, there are some ways that carry two approximately equal routes, and my suggestion was that they would

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Kerry Irons
choice for shield priority. Kerry From: Peter Davies [mailto:peter.dav...@crc-corp.com] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 8:53 PM To: Tod Fitch Cc: Kerry Irons; Martijn van Exel; OSM US Talk; Richard Welty; Eric Fischer Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread Peter Davies
:* Saturday, December 21, 2013 8:53 PM *To:* Tod Fitch *Cc:* Kerry Irons; Martijn van Exel; OSM US Talk; Richard Welty; Eric Fischer *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept Tod, I found

Re: [Talk-us] Prioritizing multi-banded route designators (multiple overlaps) on ways: the Principal route designator concept

2013-12-21 Thread James Mast
I know awhile back I updated the ref tag on the short segment of I-77 that has I-74 cosigned with it from ref=I 74;I 77 to ref=I 77;I 74 because along that segment, they are using I-77's mile markers. Plus it helps to know that I-77 was there long before the two I-74 signs (one NB and one SB)