Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:09 PM, stevea wrote: > > Also, not sure why, but the "gets refreshed every 4 hours based on latest > OMS data" seems to be lagging, at least in the Name (name=* tag) column. > Might this be fixed so it updates as stated? Thank you! Indeed

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 11/19/15 9:33 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Paul Fox > > wrote: > > > > > > thanks. i wasn't sure if

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On 11/19/2015 07:13 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Obviously there needs to be a sunrise for consumers to catch up, but >> eventually the dinosaur needs to be killed. There's some places where the >> way has a ref unique

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

As I have been watching this thread, I've been tuning up (in small part, only fine tuning seems to be needed) highway route relations in my state thanks to resources found here: http://184.73.220.107/relationpages As this host also serves maproulette, I believe it might be Martijn who

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > russ wrote: > > Paul Johnson writes: > > > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations > and > > > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist > item for > > > maps

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

paul johnson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > > > russ wrote: > > > Paul Johnson writes: > > > > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included > > > > relations and graphical shields myself, since that's almost > > >

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > paul johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Paul Fox > wrote: > > > > > russ wrote: > > > > Paul Johnson writes: > > > > > I was really hoping the latest carto would

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/19/15 9:33 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Paul Fox > wrote: > > > thanks. i wasn't sure if "discussion" was the same as > "announcement", but > i guess it is in this case. i also

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/19/2015 07:13 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Obviously there needs to be a sunrise for consumers to catch up, but eventually the dinosaur needs to be killed. There's some places where the way has a ref unique to the route, as noted on the ground, that currently isn't easy to map thanks to the

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

paul wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > > > > okay. then, speaking as the maintainer of an independent renderer: > > where are such sunrise/sunset transitions announced/scheduled/tracked? > > is the "announce" list the place to be? (all i

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > paul wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Paul Fox > wrote: > > > > > > okay. then, speaking as the maintainer of an independent renderer: > > > where are such sunrise/sunset

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/14/15 4:25 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > russ wrote: > > Paul Johnson writes: > > > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and > > > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item > for > > > maps (and particularly online maps) the world

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

Paul Johnson writes: > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item for > maps (and particularly online maps) the world over these days. I took the time to create relations for all of my

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

russ wrote: > Paul Johnson writes: > > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and > > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item > for > > maps (and particularly online maps) the world over these days. > > I took the time to

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > >> I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) >> went to a read-only database connection, and one of Phil's stored >> procedures modifies the database

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 2015-11-13 02:42, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Paul Norman > wrote: On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) went to a

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On 11/06/2015 05:48 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > >> Stop rendering this key and instead render the relations > >> > > >> >Is there*any* map style that does this at the moment? > >> > > >I believe

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > >> I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) >> went to a read-only database connection, and one of Phil's stored >> procedures modifies the database

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > there's a chicken and egg problem here. you need mappers to work to fix > up route relations but it's hard to get motivated unless something visibly > happens with them. > Agreed. I'm aggressively trying to ensure

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 11/11/15 7:31 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Richard Welty > > wrote: > > > > 3) make the needs/requirements for growing

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/11/15 8:49 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > County and city routes might be a tough nut to crack. The two Tulsa > City Expressways use fairly generic (and in the old pre-carto > rendering, coincidentally approximated) official signage. > so produce a generic looking svg file for the particular

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 11/11/15 8:49 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > County and city routes might be a tough nut to crack. The two Tulsa > > City Expressways use fairly generic (and in the old pre-carto > > rendering, coincidentally

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I use Interstate route relations as a > small part of cycle.travel's routing algorithm, for example. "Anything" > is a > big word! > You might want to add this to the OSM wiki's page regarding route relations, as

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/11/15 7:31 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Richard Welty > wrote: > > 3) make the needs/requirements for growing out the shield rendering > well known to the community. issues that require some care

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> wrote: and for unsigned routes, either don't create the relation, or create a relation and use unsigned_ref instead of ref And Paul Johnson replied I'm a proponent of

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

Richard Welty wrote: the key thing, i think, is that mappers have little motivation to work on route relations if they don't actually get used by anything. This is so, so true. Not just about route relations, but in the general sense of "crowdsourced data SHOULD become visible by at least

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

> > Anybody up for writing a quick-and-dirty "here's how to develop an OSM > renderer from scratch" wiki? (Maybe I just haven't seen this if it already > exists). It may not be drop-dead easy, but an intermediate coder should be > able to make one in short order (weeks, not months). I would

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/9/15 9:39 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > In the issue on Github, you remark: > "I'm contemplating closing this. As above, there are currently serious > data issues in the US that prevent route relations from being used for > rendering shields. If someone wants to take up the data quality issue,

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/08/2015 09:04 PM, Paul Norman wrote: Phil's demo was an excellent proof of concept of pictorial shields from route relations, but isn't something that can be reasonably incorporated into a stylesheet as-is. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/596 is the

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/9/15 10:32 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Richard Welty wrote: >> the key thing, i think, is that mappers have little motivation to >> work on route relations if they don't actually get used by >> anything. > Don't forget that the issue is not an endemic issue with route relations, > it's

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

Richard Welty wrote: > the key thing, i think, is that mappers have little motivation to > work on route relations if they don't actually get used by > anything. Don't forget that the issue is not an endemic issue with route relations, it's just an osm2pgsql issue. osm2pgsql is the most

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) went to a read-only database connection, and one of Phil's stored procedures modifies the database the first time that a shield cluster is requested. One of these times I'll fix it.

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/8/15 9:04 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: >> I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) >> went to a read-only database connection, and one of Phil's stored >> procedures modifies the database the first time that a shield

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/06/2015 05:48 PM, Richard Welty wrote: Stop rendering this key and instead render the relations >> > >> >Is there*any* map style that does this at the moment? >> > >I believe Toby had a working mapnik-based renderer doing this on osm.us at >one point, though i'm not sure what became of

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

On 11/6/15 5:01 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Stop rendering this key and instead render the relations >> > >> > Is there *any* map style that does this at the moment? >> > > I believe Toby had a working mapnik-based renderer doing this on osm.us at > one point, though i'm