Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Marc Gemis
Robert, I quickly looked at the talk-us and talk-us-import archives (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/ and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports-us/ ) I do not see any mail from you in April/May/June. Did you send the email about your import request to one of those ma

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Robert Yaklin
And then you have people like myself who were new to OSM and reading the docs that say to join mailing list and to send email to mailing list before doing proposed import of data and get no reply. Maybe the people who would have replied use other channels and not the mailing list. In any case it le

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Marc Gemis
The Belgian community lives now mostly on Riot, we do have an IRC bridge and different channels to discuss dev or landuse related stuff. The main drawback is the lack of threads (ever tried to follow 2 discussions taking place at the same time, let alone read was said during the day ?). The not so

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:10 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > Martijn van Exel writes: > > > Hi Simon, > > > >> > * everyone is on it > >> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially > >> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other > >> competing media (in

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel writes: > Hi Simon, > >> > * everyone is on it >> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially >> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other >> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. > > I would argue

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import, in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Clifford Snow
Doug, Like Martijn said, many of us are on multiple communications forums. I'm on talk-us (and a bunch of others), IRC, Slack, Reddit and even on various Meetup Groups. I used to be on Facebook, but just couldn't tolerate FB attitude towards users privacy. Slack is available on desktops as a stand

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import, in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Martijn van Exel
Doug, I think we should / can rely on OSM US and community members who are on both Slack and email to relay information to this list as well. I for one appreciate the fact that Slack and other social media are not for everyone. I will keep following the list as I have for years and post quest

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import, in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Doug Hembry
I stand with Greg Morgan and Rihards on this one (and I think, Steve, if I remember rightly). I watch my email, and read the messages and digests from the talk lists. I'm old-fashioned and don't even use a smart phone or any social media (probably the only person in California who doesn't). I'd

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Rihards
On 2018.06.12. 11:08, Greg Morgan wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Martijn van Exel > wrote: > > I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one > platform to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice > is something we

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-12 Thread Greg Morgan
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one platform > to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice is something we > can debate. It was really the only feasible choice that was available to us > at th

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-11 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi Simon, > > * everyone is on it > That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially > force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other > competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. I would argue that it is a good thing that people

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Clifford Snow wrote: > I must admit I like Slack better than some other forms of communications. Truly, I think that's great. And again, the many forms of communication OSM uses, including new ones, are a natural part of a project as large and diverse as OSM is. There ARE a great many, some

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Bryan Housel > wrote: > >> > I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the >> community or should we look elsewhere? >> >> Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work f

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the > community or should we look elsewhere? > > Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. > > Here are some advantages.. > * lower barrier t

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi all, I have had good experience with riot.im matrix.org it is open source, mobile friendly and has an irc gateway. On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel: > >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Thread Simon Poole
Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel: >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the >> community or should we look elsewhere? > Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. > > Here are some advantages.. > * lower barrier to entry f

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-09 Thread Bryan Housel
> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the > community or should we look elsewhere? Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better. Here are some advantages.. * lower barrier to entry for less technical folks * great mobile experience * goo

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 2018-06-09 1:19 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Apart from the reasons you mentioned, having a record is also an important factor. Anything that has gone on on these mailing lists is practically archived forever and for all to see This is also a good reason to ask questions on something other than

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/09/2018 04:31 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > I have objections to the use of Slack in particular, and to the use of > real-time communication tools in general (not just Slack but other tools > like IRC, HipChat, Rocket.Chat etc.). I think that while it would be ok for any of these to be use

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-08 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
I have objections to the use of Slack in particular, and to the use of real-time communication tools in general (not just Slack but other tools like IRC, HipChat, Rocket.Chat etc.). My objections to Slack in particular primarily come down to the fact that using it puts too much control in the hand

[Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-08 Thread Clifford Snow
SteveA wrote: At least once, Clifford invited me to join Slack as well. However, after reading Slack's Terms of Service Agreement (a contract of adhesion, really), I could not and do not abide with the ways which Slack (and other proprietary, not-open-source/open-data communication platforms) div