Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/5/12 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com Yes, it seems confusing, but only if you think landuse=forest implies all trees. It doesn't: it implies all managed forest, whether with or without trees. Yes, basically the actual use of landuse=forest is: there are trees (judging from how

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread Greg Troxel
I do agree with Mike Thompson's statement: If neither of the two tags being discussed (landuse=forest, natural=wood) are appropriate for tagging a generic area covered by trees (regardless if it is virgin, managed), it would be really helpful to have a tag that could be used for this

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 12/mag/2013, at 14:04, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: So, I'd like to see a landcover= tag, here it is http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landcover ;-) cheers, Martin___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
If you have an area that cannot grow trees, due to altitude, inadequate groundwater, or having exposed rock rather than soil (as with many mountaintops), then, in what sense is it a managed forest? I am not talking about areas that are temporarily treeless due to the trees having been

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: If you have an area that cannot grow trees, due to altitude, inadequate groundwater, or having exposed rock rather than soil (as with many mountaintops), then, in what sense is it a managed forest? I am not talking

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/5/12 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us For administrative purposes and area is designated a National Forest. In practice parts of the National Forest have no trees. Show nature=* make sense if we want to show what occupies the land. National Forest boundaries should be in OSM,

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread stevea
If you have an area that cannot grow trees, due to altitude, inadequate groundwater, or having exposed rock rather than soil (as with many mountaintops), then, in what sense is it a managed forest? I am not talking about areas that are temporarily treeless due to the trees having been

[Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Torsten Karzig
I am relatively new to the talk-us list and have a question concerning the landuse tags of national forests. Right now (at least in southern california) all national forests are landuse=forest which leads to large green areas on the map which look like they originate from a very old video game

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Thomas Colson
be a good idea to update the Wiki page on this topic and/or add a proposed new tag, or tag change. -Original Message- From: Torsten Karzig [mailto:torsten.kar...@web.de] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:53 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread stevea
Hello Torsten: Please see our wiki page regarding these data (USFS imported data for national forests and wildernesses) at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data. Please see our wiki pages at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dforest and

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Torsten Karzig
Hello SteveA, Thanks a lot for your reply. I really appreciate you work for updating the national forests in southern California. Before posting I already read the wiki pages you mentioned. For me it seemed that there is still some dispute about how the tag landuse=forest is used and there

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Greg Troxel
Torsten Karzig torsten.kar...@web.de writes: a forest. [The parts of the Angeles National forest that I have seen so far are dominated by scrub] For me using the landuse=forest tag in this case seems to contradict the fact that landuse=forest is supposed to describe woodland. Not quite;

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread stevea
Thanks a lot for your reply. I really appreciate you work for updating the national forests in southern California. Nice of you to say so. I did get a lot of positive feedback from posters to talk-us saying something similar. I have a lot of work to continue to do this with eastern, central

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Torsten Karzig
SteveA, Alright, thanks for the clarification. Please don't confuse land cover with the political/jurisdictional and geographical definition of inside the boundaries of a national forest. I would guess that I am not the only one who gets confused by this. In fact I would even say that there

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Torsten Karzig
Please don't confuse land cover with the political/jurisdictional and geographical definition of inside the boundaries of a national forest. One more remark. Shouldn't the political/jurisdictional and geographical definition of inside the boundaries of a national forest be defined by the

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Mike Thompson
If neither of the two tags being discussed (landuse=forest, natural=wood) are appropriate for tagging a generic area covered by trees (regardless if it is virgin, managed), it would be really helpful to have a tag that could be used for this (i.e. indicate what the *landcover* is). This

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Paul Norman
From: stevea [mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com] Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests Hello Torsten: Please see our wiki pages at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dforest and http

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread stevea
Please don't confuse land cover with the political/jurisdictional and geographical definition of inside the boundaries of a national forest. One more remark. Shouldn't the political/jurisdictional and geographical definition of inside the boundaries of a national forest be defined by the