[Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I can't speak to the other countries you mention, but Japan's prefectures are the equivalent of US states, and both are admin_level 4. The Japanese states (doshusei) listed for admin_level 3 on the wiki page seem to be some sort of experiment in regional administration. More info in English here:

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-25 10:59 GMT+01:00 Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de: admin_levels have been invented in order that different borders can be rendered consistently among countries according to the wiki[1]. +1, that's also what I am after. That's also what I remember. State eqivalent doesn't mean

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-24 21:18 GMT+01:00 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: Assuming this table reflects the actual state of the map, most countries have chosen 4 for their state equivalents. Actually, many countries do not have something like a state equivalent, it is a particularity of the USA

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:29:25AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-11-24 21:18 GMT+01:00 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: Assuming this table reflects the actual state of the map, most countries have chosen 4 for their state equivalents. Actually, many countries do

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2014-11-25 01:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-11-24 21:18 GMT+01:00 Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us mailto:m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: Assuming this table reflects the actual state of the map, most countries have chosen 4 for their state equivalents. Actually, many

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/25/14 5:24 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: Incidentally, [1] is silent on the question of Indian reservations, a topic that has come up periodically on this list. Is there any consensus on how to tag them? If so, it should be reflected in the table. i'm not aware of any consensus beyond indian

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Here is the most recent thread on the tagging list about Indian reservations: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-November/020160.html Neither of the proposals mentioned in the thread advocates using admin_level On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Richard Welty

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2014-11-25 06:54, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Here is the most recent thread on the tagging list about Indian reservations: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-November/020160.html Neither of the proposals mentioned in the thread advocates using admin_level Thanks. I've

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? Based on which uses of admin_level=3? A quick scan of the wiki shows

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Jack Burke
I would point out that the legal status of U.S. States is slightly different than that of provinces (and likely of states in other countries). For one thing, U.S. States exist in their own right and do not drive their existence from a higher government (even though most of them were created by

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/24/14 9:44 AM, Richard Weait wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? Based on which uses of

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 11/24/2014 5:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? admin_level=4 is consistent with Canada and Australia at the very least. I believe it's also consistent

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jack Burke burke...@gmail.com wrote: I would point out that the legal status of U.S. States is slightly different than that of provinces (and likely of states in other countries). For one thing, U.S. States exist in their own right and do not drive their

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-24 18:05 GMT+01:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: ...and German states and Swiss cantons are admin_level=4 according to the previously-linked page. yes, I am coming from a German-Italian perspective, where Italian regions are clearly less sovereign than German states,

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Jack Burke
And the England/Wales and /Scotland borders are all 4, too. If we're trying to reflect geopolitical status, these should absolutely be different than provinces. OTOH, if we're just interested in drawing pretty lines -jack On November 24, 2014 12:55:04 PM EST, Martin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states

2014-11-24 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2014-11-24 05:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? IIRC mappers in many regions of the world started out using even-numbered admin_levels only, skipping the