Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Lester Caine
( Done it again ) On 28/09/17 11:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> I have found wikidata entries that don't have wikipedia pages and I would >> expect that but it would be nice to have confirmation that this is >> actual practice? > Yes, it is. for example this: > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-09-28 13:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > If their first language doesn't use Latin roots they will also have to > look up "name". > sorry, seems "name" has Germanic roots. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-09-28 10:53 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > On 28/09/2017 09:28, Jo wrote: > Many mappers (especially those with a first language that doesn't use many > Greek roots) will I suspect struggle with what "name:etymology:wikidata" > actually means. > > maybe, but they could look

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Jo
Here is an entry I added to Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q37873776 I tried to create a Wikipedia article for it, but it got shot down immediately. Wikipedia doesn't like companies, even if they do provide public transport services and even if it's a red link in another article:

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 September 2017 at 11:41, Lester Caine wrote: > I have found wikidata entries that don't have wikipedia pages and I would > expect that but it would be nice to have confirmation that this is > actual practice? Yes, it is. for example this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-09-28 12:07 GMT+02:00 Jo : > My experience is that adding something we map (or refer to like the name > of a mayor) to Wikipedia is absurdly hard to accomplish. Adding it to > Wikidata is trivially easy in comparison. So the inclusion rules for > Wikipedia and Wikidata

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Lester Caine
On 28/09/17 10:55, Andy Townsend wrote: > Obviously wikipedia/wikidata's rules for inclusion are very different to > ours (in some cases the opposite - wikipedia says "no original research > - please copy from some other source").  There are plenty of examples of > things that people think should

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 September 2017 at 11:23, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 28/09/2017 11:13, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> On 28 September 2017 at 09:53, Andy Townsend wrote: >> >>> "objects named after Leuven" >>> I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/09/2017 11:13, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 28 September 2017 at 09:53, Andy Townsend wrote: "objects named after Leuven" I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" was better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 September 2017 at 09:53, Andy Townsend wrote: > "objects named after Leuven" > I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" was > better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Jo
My experience is that adding something we map (or refer to like the name of a mayor) to Wikipedia is absurdly hard to accomplish. Adding it to Wikidata is trivially easy in comparison. So the inclusion rules for Wikipedia and Wikidata are very different too. This also means that not every entry

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Marc Gemis
O, I even believe that e.g. all (or a large number of) Dutch streets are in Wikidata without having a Wikipedia article for the individual streets. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > Thanks for explaining, Andy. > > Please note that as I said before, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Marc Gemis
Thanks for explaining, Andy. Please note that as I said before, it is not true that there is a Wikipedia article for each Wikidata item. E.g. There is a whole group working on inventarising art in musea. They do create Wikidata items, but no Wikipedia articles for the individual items. It is

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

2017-09-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/09/2017 10:36, Marc Gemis wrote: Andy are you now saying that it is OK to have 1 wikidata tag on each street, so someone can create an external list of streets with Wikidata ids to represent some kind of collection (like "all streets named after Leuven") ? Firstly I'm not saying "what is

Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

2017-09-28 Thread Marc Gemis
Andy are you now saying that it is OK to have 1 wikidata tag on each street, so someone can create an external list of streets with Wikidata ids to represent some kind of collection (like "all streets named after Leuven") ? m. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Andy Townsend