Trini de Pittsburgh.
Although you made good points, I do want to comment specifically on:
Frankie Manning is a good example of a dance genre perhaps being defined too
narrowly stylistically
Perhaps. However Lindy, and vernacular jazz dance in the braoder sense, has
been informed by
out for the
circus. OMG!
I think that the only solution is bouncers! I have heard that they kick
people out of the Authentic milongas in BsAs if they are misbehaving.
Authenticity is the US will certainly be enhanced by having bouncers.
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poorly, were accorded equal disdain. Bad
navigation and disrespect for the
floor are not the exclusive domain of those who choose to add the creative
possibilities of nuevo into their
dance.
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Larry - The first half of the routine is simply very poor quality Balboa - Way
TOO bouncy!!
They throw in one or two Tango steps and then switch to a mix of Lindy and
Charleston.
One can easily do a MUCH better fusion than I see here. A local couple here in
fact
routinely does so, blending
larrynla wrote:
A lot of stuff.
Bravo and thank you.
[rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc.,
what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is
Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set
of step
NANCY wrote:
Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing
with the other dancers or the line of dance?
Indeed. That is THE question. If I am dancing simple close embrace but insist
on pushing the couple ahead of me, I am messing with the line of dance. If I
am dancing simple
Mario wrote:
Would you want to be dancing behind this woman on a crowded floor?
You should be so lucky! Paula is a lovely, lovely dancer. I have danced with
her on a floor so crowded that it was later compared to waiting in line
rather than dancing. She certainly accommodates her dance to
I said to lead with the heart and the core in my last post with considerable
deliberation, because that is what I do, or try to do, always. Yes, you are
connected through the hands and arms, but they, as well as the chest, are
merely extensions of your core, and of your heart, which is where
Shahrukh Merchant wrote:
... I really don't think that claiming a
certain difference between nuevo tango and traditional tango, or
claiming a certain definition of those or any other terms, is
*automatically* offensive to others who may feel that they do a good job
straddling both forms
and inaccurate to say that modern tango, when danced well, is not led
with the heart and the chest.
Although we may differ in our preferred styles, I think that we should respect
our fellow dancers and think carefully about our language.
Yours in tango
D. David Thorn
Martin Nussbaum wrote:
Klaus, I think you should aim higher than the leader in the clips you chose.
Musical? Yes.
Smooth? Absolutely.
Connected? ... maybe, but he might as well have been dancing foxtrot.
For whatever it is worth, I believe that this dancer placed 3rd in the 2007
It appears to me that some on the list would have us believe that tango was
born in the Golden Age and always had the set of
attributes that we now associate with tango. We walk around small, look
elegant, are musical, keep our head and eyes up etc. One
of the interesting things about
Nina wrote:
If other cultures insist on taking credit for transforming and
evolving tango, they should stop calling it Argentine and call it
something else instead, like no longer Argentine tango, or
something like that.
If asked what language I speak, I generally say English. I don't say
I would Mario wrote:
love to see a video of this give and take between partners...even Chichi
Fromboli
doesn't do this..he leads and she follows..
In full knowledge that the flame throwers are in alignment, here goes:
Mario - Yes, compelling me to slow down, speed up, etc as contributions
, is
easily remedied. Read. Learn. You might for example start with
Tango: The Art History of Love by Robert Farris Thompson.
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Alex quoted:
The state of being so completely immersed in the music and profoundly
connected with your partner that movement flows from within the partnership
uninhibited by conscious thought.
Subject of course to the constraint that one must constantly monitor the floor
for navigational
Tom Stermitz wrote:
The basic boleo is (usually) a spiral at
the waist, that results in the supporting leg pivoting and the loose
leg floating behind and perhaps wrap before coming around to the front.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJUV2QwmflY
First few seconds. Liz is lead to spiral at
Trini wrote:
Personally, I find it much easier to find a connection with someone if I
know beforehand what style they dance
or what they prefer.
Do you dance only one style?? Or do you adjust your style to accommodate the
available space, the music, your
partner, your mood, etc...
guiding of every motion of the follow any more than a torso lead includes
constant guiding. That again is a skill issue, and not an absolute.
Just M2CW
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Larry wrote:
I suspect their system [crossed vs open]is good for thinking up new
ways of doing movements, but not for improvising them while dancing.
I beg to differ. Generally, I can not tell you which (right or left) foot my
follow is on, but I try to NEVER loose track of
our body
repressed that they can't express their feelings
with / to their partners without
first looking over their shoulders to see who might be watching???
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Jack:
To clarify a little, I was trying to illustrate that the volcada figure is
really made up of a number of very small
elements that can be rearranged so that the result does not resemble a volcada.
I have come to believe
that the essence of Nuevo is tiny elements, each no larger than a
Jack Dylan wrote
But they appear to be figures that both of the couple must know. If the lady
doesn't know how to dance Volcadas and Colgadas, they cannot be led by the man.
Related to my point about nuevo consisting of elements, if a follow doesn't
understand being tipped even while
being lead
And nuevo dancing implies that you look down and ogle your partner's
outfit.
Forget this outfit business Joe. I've been working very hard on my Tango Doble
Frente
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymrs60k3dU
so that I could look down and ogle my partners backside, I mean, high-heels.
walking steps in between stopping to cause a traffic jam). I am also not even
remotely unique in the world of leads
who are, or are trying to learn to be (this be me), decent Nuevo leads who
listen to and interpret the music,
just as do dancers of all stripe.
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Which I suspect is why many people enjoy Nuevo. No need
to worry about that pesky walk :-)
I know that there is a smiley face at the end of this statement, but this
nevertheless seems to me
a rather gratuitously insulting remark, creating more heat than light, and
perhaps reflecting
other styles of Tango, that doesn't necessarily make it an honorable tradition.
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partner her
back right is open and not cross.
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P.S. And yes Astrid - follows are not expected to get this. It does however
represent the intellectual side of the lead process for at least some of us
leads.
P.P.S. I know that I left the list, but somehow my request
embrace.
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the level of discourse drops to serious name
calling, it is conducted off-list (I hadn't realized that I was a sh|thead
until fairly recently, but I can go with that.)
With hopes that I never have the misfortune to encounter the level of
intolerance shown on this list in my real life,
This is D. David
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Evolutionary biology meets grouchy old people? I'm clueless!
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intrude on your dance?
I absolutely do not understand the antagonistic attitude that you present.
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an
excellent evening of dance, and I only feel slightly bad about all those sad
intermediate follows lined up against the wall looking hopefully out at the
floor.
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the blind conservatism, in any life endeavor, that
argues that we do it the way we do it because that is how we do it and then
proceeds to defend it as being the only true way on this basis. Sorry, but
this is probably the scientist nerd in me rearing its head.
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Well, enough reading and posting for the day (3!!! in one day). 'Till later.
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is opened, often classified as 'tango
fantasia' or 'tango nuevo' are reserved for the stage or for
exhibitions at some milongas.
But I certainly could be (and often am) wrong.
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as we
know it come from? Did they change partners every song? Or never? I am
utterly clueless.
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on it with her
left is quite painful, even after only one tanda.
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IMO even in an open embrace there is SOME weight sharing going on.
The amount of shared weight should be negotiated.
PS Your rotator cuffs should be OK since there is no torque
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