[Tango-L] Navigation abuse

Ecsedy ?ron said: > Theeere we go then. I had that distinct impression that this might be > the problem. [Thesis on personal space deleted.] Sorry, Aron, I think you need to consider the fact that you're the one not getting it (and perhaps therefore unconsciously practising this behaviour to

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Nice post, Ron.  Daniel Trenner is the only teacher I've had in recent memory to teach this navigation in beginning classes.  One teacher here has incorporated it into his beginning classes, but it's too early to tell what effect that has on those students' introduction into the community, which

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--- On Thu, 1/13/11, RonTango wrote: Almost every man who has any sense of navigation in the US proceeds around the floor walking facing forward in the direction of the ronda, using turns when forward progression is no longer feasible. This is how we have all been taught - walk forward and tu

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--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > I've also noticed issues with certain vocabulary since > milonguero style has become more prevalent.  Such as women > having more difficulty recognizing moments to cross and > anticipating ocho cortado rather than forward ochos.  > Anyone else

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Alberto Paz from New Orleans taught us to face the wall when we start. He said on our very first tango lesson 7 years ago: In tango: the woman turns around the man, and the mean turns around the floor. The implication clearly was that the dance was circular and not linear. Thanks Alberto: you

Re: [Tango-L] Navigation: Now ocho cortado

ght to her left foot. Michael I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines - Original Message - From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Navigation I've also noticed issues with certain vocabulary since milongue

Re: [Tango-L] Navigation: Now ocho cortado

But look at the object video . Elena clearly commits weight left at about 22 seconds and then right to the cruzada. Don "Michael" wrote: > The problem with not being able to execute the ocho cortado is FRAME. The man > steps sideways to his right

Re: [Tango-L] Navigation: Now ocho cortado

foot stayed in place and her weight rocked back onto her right foot so she could cross with the left. Michael I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines - Original Message - From: Don Klein To: tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L]

Re: [Tango-L] Navigation: Now ocho cortado

As with everything else in Tango, there are many ways of dancing the Ocho Cortado either led or with adornos. It's boring if always done the same way. Personally, I prefer the weight transfer as you describe. This gives the lady the opportunity to be creative with her right foot before completing

[Tango-L] Navigation (was: Using the social dance as THE model)

- Original Message > From: Ming Mar > > Mario writes: > >In this video we see two very experienced and capable > >social dancers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbUai1Lv5-0 > I find it interesting that after he does 6-7-8 of the > basic, the next step is a back step. I also find it

[Tango-L] Navigation (was: Using the social dance as THE model)

Hey Anton, we have consistently taught students to enter the floor respecting to the ronda, preferably with the lady's back to the tables. Marching to the centre of the floor, following or followed by the lady is really ugly, but I think comes from our old social dance tradition where the

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Excellent post, Ron!  Exactly what I was taught by milongueros in BsAs. Jack > From: RonTango ronta...@rocketmail.com > Almost every man who has any sense of navigation in the US proceeds around > the > floor walking facing forward in the direction of the ronda, using turns when > forward

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>From a recent post:"in the video is a good example), the men start the dance facing the tables, with the woman with her back to the tables." I can't say that I've noticed this as being the norm at Lo de Celia or anywhere else in Bs As. It could be that I simple wasn't aware. But I do think t

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Oops, I left out a biggy. Cutting in. G. Anton -Original Message- From: tango-l-boun...@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-boun...@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Anton Stanley Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011 10:28 AM To: Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Navigation (was: Using the social dance

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> From: Anton Stanley an...@alidas.com.au >  I often start with my back to the > ronda or to the tables, > FWIW, I've been taught that this is not good practise because it leaves the lady vulnerable and unprotected from the other dancers. With her back to the tables, in the outer ronda, she's

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I'm also guilty - for the same reason. There are 2 rules in maintaining a ronda. One is not to overtake but the second, IMO more important, rule is to move forward when space becomes available. Breaking the second rule inevitably results in the first rule being broken. Nothing annoys me more th

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a funny thing happened to me tonight in maipu444 . i was dancing and decided to overtake a porteño who was just about to begin a tanda after everyone else, and like ruben lopez he was facing the tables and like ruben he began with a backward step and guess what, he bumped into me just as i

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Sorry Tony; others might disagree but if you passed behind a dancer, within a single step, I'd say you were at least 50% to blame. Good dancing is like good driving; you need to anticipate what the other dancer [or driver] might do and always err on the side of caution. Many porteños in that pos

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John The main reason for standing and chatting before starting to dance is for the man to “Mark the music” listen to the music the beat the rhythm. In BA it drives me crazy to stand there for 30 or 40 seconds after the music starts before you start dancing. I force myself to comply out of re

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At a traditional BA milonga, like Lo de Celia, the single men and women are segregated on either side of the floor and use cabeceo to ask for and accept a dance. The ONLY time two partners can talk is when the music starts to play. I noticed that about 60% of the couples are moving within 30 sec