[NMCAVER] Fort Stanton Cave Tours

2008-06-02 Thread Lee H. Skinner
What does anyone here know about the people behind this website? http://www.fortstantoncavetours.com/ ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net

[NMCAVER] Carlsbad Caverns formation for sale on Ebay

2008-06-02 Thread Lois Manno
Hello all, For the second time, this individual has listed a 250-pound chunk of speleothem material on Ebay for sale. He claims it's from a "privately-owned section of Carlsbad Caverns." I doubt it's actually from the caverns, more likely it's a piece from Cottonwood or someplace similar. I

[Texascavers] book review: Bill Cuddington

2008-06-02 Thread Mixon Bill
Vertical Bill: The Story of Bill Cuddington and the Development of Vertical Caving in America. David W. Hughes. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, Alabama; 2008. ISBN 978-1-879961-29-6. 5 by 8.5 inches, 392 pages, hardbound. $32 (discount for NSS members, see http://nssbookstore.org

Re: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread David
What I meant to emphasize was, it would be great if we lived in a world where life was fair and just. Socialism can NOT work in the real world, because there is such a large number of people that are dishonest or lazy, or evil. The reality of the world is that it all comes down to survival

RE: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread Fritz Holt
David, Plan ahead to avoid this problem. When you have paid the price once for having been towed, we try very hard not to let it happen again. I have been there also. Silly me, I always thought that there were alternative means of transportation for those who could not afford to own and operate

RE: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread Fritz Holt
My reply to some of David's lines. The injustices caused by uninsured drivers who are at fault in an auto accident are many. This new plan for a check of auto liability is a good idea and should be almost instantaneous upon receipt of paid premiums for new and renewal policies. Not having your

RE: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread mark . alman
I agree there should be a better way to get insurance, David, and there's a simple answer: Insurance by the gallon or mile. Whenever you fill up, insurance is figured into the price of gas. The more you drive, the more insurance you'll buy and need. The only obstacle: Insurance companies, t

Re: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread David
What if your car gets towed, after you have paid your insurance? It will be very difficult, and a hardship for many to try to get their vehicle back. I know that there are a lot of losers out there that drive without insurance. But I also know that there are thousands of hard-working tax-paying

RE: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread mark . alman
David, I'll comment below: From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 1:19 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers I would be concerned that this plan is not implemented fairly. What happens if you

Re: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread David
I would be concerned that this plan is not implemented fairly. What happens if you just renewed your insurance and can't convince the officer that it has been paid? What if you left the receipt at home in your briefcase?What if the insurance office can not be reached by phone and the

RE: [Texascavers] the list

2008-06-02 Thread mark . alman
D'oh! You're right, Bill. You're OK. I have sent out a clarification explaining what I meant. It's funny how one can read something 3 or 4 times and still not catch the obvious. Hopefully, I've explained the list more clearly and sorry about the confusion. Mark -Original Message---

[ot_caving] computer news - medical related

2008-06-02 Thread David
Here is a story about how a fancy desktop computer can be used in a real world application to replace a more advanced special purpose computer. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PC-supercomputer,5513.html It is related to CT scans of the body.It is apparently more common now for a doc

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA Appreciates Your Thoughts. Now, we need action from YOU! Clarification.

2008-06-02 Thread mark . alman
It appears I may have caused some confusion. Please let me clarify.     **If your name is on this list, you are NOT current and need to pay your dues. ***     If you're unable to find your name, you're either paid up and "in good standing", or the TSA has no record of you having

[Texascavers] the list

2008-06-02 Thread Mixon Bill
Wait a minute. How is one supposed to tell from that list whether he is a paid-up TSA member, if it also contains names of all the people who have "ever attended a caving function in the Lone Star state"? And why am I not on the list, when I should be in both categories? Want to try that ag

RE: [ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread mark . alman
It's about time! I hope they tow them, as well! My sons have had accidents with three different uninsured drivers. It wasn't my sons' faults, either. I'm tired of folks like this. Ticket 'em and tow 'em! Mark From: qui...@clearwire.net [mailt

[ot_caving] interesting uninsured drivers

2008-06-02 Thread quinta
AUSTIN, TX - Texas Police officers will have a new tool to get uninsured drivers off the road. Officers in Austin will start using the new insurance database next week. It will automatically notify officers whether a driver has valid car insurance, just by entering the license plate number into

RE: [ot_caving] DVD review - cave related

2008-06-02 Thread Louise Power
As you may or may not know, there's another "Journey..." movie coming July 11. According to IMDb, was filmed in Iceland and Quebec. > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:35:41 -0500> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com> To: o...@texascavers.com> Subject: [ot_caving] DVD review - cave related> > "Journey to the Ce

[Texascavers] The TSA Appreciates Your Thoughts. Now, we need action from YOU!

2008-06-02 Thread mark . alman
All, I echo John's thoughts here and believe we've had a useful, constructive, and positive discussion in regard to how to disperse the ~$8400 in the TSA Land Fund. Everyone's thoughts and suggestions have been welcomed. BUT, in order to put your desires and words into ACTION, you need to do th

[ot_caving] DVD review - cave related

2008-06-02 Thread David
"Journey to the Center of the Earth" http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51G9PWES3QL._SS500_.jpg this is a review of a DVD from 2004 of a movie filmed in 1999 and made for cable TV. There are several real cave scenes in this movie. One of them appears to be 3 people rappelling simul