In about 2 weeks most of the convention attendees will be on the way to
Florida.
I only see 8 Texas cavers pre-registered for the convention, or a few
more if you count
some that recently moved away.
My chances of going have increased from 20 % to 30 %.
I had no problem getting permission from
Looks more like bad Photoshopping. Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:36:14 -0500
From: l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re:
[Texascavers] NM sinkhole Looks like a nuke hole. Gill Ediger wrote:
Here's a link to a little sinkhole action out in New Mexico.
I'm curious - new leads waiting to be pursued in Mammoth, but NONE in
Carlsbad?
Has CaCa been scoured for years with no promise or is there a moratorium on
pushing it?
-WaV
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:06 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
Mark Allman wrote:
Cool cave with a lot of history, but
I'm going to say this isn't OT (off topic) since a lot of cave entrances got
found between say 1810 and 1865 in search of good sources for saltpetre, an
ingredient of gunpowder.
This from TagNet:
40,000 Pounds Of Saltpeter---How Many Pounds Nirates?
By: Doug Plemons (Sevierville,
Bill Steele posted from TAGNet:
A particular saltpeter producer in Jefferson County, TN made up 40,000# of
gunpowder during the War of 1812 and sent it to Andy Jackson so he would help
win the war. My question is, what is the percentage of nitrates that thie
shipment had, in pounds? And
So, just curious, but when you speak of cave earth or dirt you really mean
guano, right?
-Viv
-- Original message from Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu:
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Bill Steele posted from TAGNet:
A particular saltpeter producer in Jefferson County, TN made up 40,000#
Vivian said:
when you speak of cave earth or dirt you really mean guano, right?
No, dirt from the cave floor. The saltpetre was extracted from the dirt
on the floor of the cave by putting it into big vats and leaching it with
water. The water was then boiled down to crystallize
This is an interesting thread.
According to Wikipedia,
The U.S. Congress passed legislation that would allow U.S. citizens to take
possession of unoccupied
islands containing saltpetre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Islands_Act
When I was a kid, I visited Mammoth with my mom and dad. At the time, old
saltpeter mining gear was still in the cave - like vats and wooden pipes. I
wonder if that stuff is still there?
=WaV
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:58 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
This is an interesting thread.
It was a couple of years ago when we were there.
Cool cave with a lot of history, but we all like CaCa better.
Mark
From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 7/25/2008 12:36 PM
To: David
Cc: o...@texascavers.com; Minton, Mark;
This reminds me of a discussion I overheard a few years ago inside the
historic entrance to Mammoth Cave, next to the abandoned saltpetre
works. Someone asked how could there be significant deposits of
salpetre when we don't see any bats here now? Rick Olson and Rick
Toomey launched into
Here is another story on the new sinkhole. http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=8700699nav=menu588_2_5_2
Mark Minton
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I am not sure what to say.
Better Late Than Never??
DirtDoc
the company
operating the South Y brine well has decided to cease production,
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George has done a nice job of putting this in proper perspective. Thank you,
George. Are you using environmentally-approved (low-carbon footprint) paint on
the highway?
Just to make sure that my prediction is on record (and George is probably quite
aware of this � I
On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:50 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
...My comments, over 20 years ago, are still pertinent. They
produced umpteen jillion gallons (caver genralization of a Whole
Bunch) of the brine and there must be a huge water-filled cavity
under the South “Y”. So don’t be
Here is the link on the new sinkhole forming in New Mexico.
Very interesting.
Geary
http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=8700699nav=menu588_2_5_2
Well, obviously I was wrong on this one, but the photo that was sent out first
did not look real. Sorry!
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:32:50 -0500From: gschindel@edwardsaquifer.orgTo:
texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] FW: Sinkhole in New
Louise,
Large sinks like this have formed before in the Wink County, Texas -
Roswell - Artesia NM area. What is interesting about the photo is if
you enlarge it, there appears to be dust in the left side of the
sinkhole. I was wondering if this might be from a rock fall from the
edge, mist
When Carl Kunath asked me why I came to my conclusion, here's what I wrote him.
Obviously I was wrong, but I stand by my observation that something about the
photo looks weird. Perhaps somebody tried to make certain features of the photo
stand out more (the dark line across the top of the
I stand by my observation that something about the photo looks weird.
Hey, Louise!@! I thought you lived in Texas for a while!!
DirtDoc
Here is the scoop. Most of the news reports I've seen have the story
essentially right, so long as we don't quibble about details. The sinkhole
formed due to brine production. Fresh water was pumped about 660 ft down to
near the base of the Salado Formation (salt) and was pumped out as a brine
and
Here is the scoop. Most of the news reports I've seen have the story
essentially right, so long as we don't quibble about details. The sinkhole
formed due to brine production. Fresh water was pumped about 660 ft down to
near the base of the Salado Formation (salt) and was pumped out as a brine
and
This hole formed similar to that sinkhole that formed south east of
Houston a few months ago. Brine pumping operations caused both cases.
Curious questions:
Is it not the goal of the brine operators to pump the underground salt
out and not form a sinkhole?
If pumping brine out creates a
Louise Power said:
something about the photo looks weird. Perhaps somebody tried to make certain
features of the photo stand out more (the dark line across the top of the
hole) by using Photoshop or some other enhancement program.
I have seen similar, even heavier black lines
The development of a sinkhole that breaches the surface is not the
inevitable outcome. It all depends on the size and shape of the void that is
created and the structural competence of the overlying rock. If the
engineering geologists underestimate either one, then collapse will occur.
If either
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