Re: [Texascavers] Climbing Cave Entrances

2009-08-25 Thread Gary McDaniel
Back in '93 or '94 a close friend (I'll not name him here) and I "cleaned" the Cub overhang (with the assistance of Joe and Linda's * extraordinarily* rickety 30ft extension ladder) of all those ugly 'biners and 'draws and and used the leavings to subsidize my early caving career. I certai

RE: [Texascavers] Climbing Cave Entrances

2009-08-25 Thread SS
Ahh..but at the end of the day.aren't all those unsightly marks just an eyesore for us humans occupying this mere blink the geologic eye..At the end of the day there really is nothing we can do to harm a cave since it is not the same place today that it was ten thousand years ago and it will no

Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

2009-08-25 Thread David
It looks like portions of Bear Grylls' videos in caves are available for free viewing on-line. Here are 5 of them: http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-mexico-cave.html http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-cave-claustrophobia.html http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Me :) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: > Which ones? > - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" > > To: "Stefan Creaser" > Cc: "John P. Brooks" ; "Linda Palit" > ; "Andy Zenker" ; "TexasCavers" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Texa

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Bill Bentley
Says who? - Original Message - From: "Stefan Creaser" To: "Charles Goldsmith" ; "John P. Brooks" Cc: "Linda Palit" ; "Andy Zenker" ; "TexasCavers" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dall

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Bill Bentley
Which ones? - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: "Stefan Creaser" Cc: "John P. Brooks" ; "Linda Palit" ; "Andy Zenker" ; "TexasCavers" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion :P Dallas does have its good points.

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Charles Goldsmith
:P Dallas does have its good points... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: > Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dallas? ;-) > > Stefan >

texascavers Digest 26 Aug 2009 04:32:15 -0000 Issue 834

2009-08-25 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 26 Aug 2009 04:32:15 - Issue 834 Topics (messages 11849 through 11854): Re: Priest's Cave Presentation in Houston 11849 by: caverarch.aol.com Re: 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion 11850 by: Andy Zenker 11851 by: Linda Palit 11852 by: John P. Brooks

RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dallas? ;-) Stefan -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:30 PM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Linda Palit; Andy Zenker; TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion John

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Charles Goldsmith
John, careful, you'll get hooked into organizing next years TCR in the DFW area :p Charles On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, John P. Brooks wrote: > Did someone mention Dallas? > > > On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, "Linda Palit" wrote: > > Whoa…. > After cave-camping without water except for food for a week

Re: [Texascavers] Labor Day at CCNP

2009-08-25 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Yes, please keep me on your list, even as a standby for this holiday. Thanks! Charles On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Barbe Barker wrote: > Hi Charles, > Thank you for your email.  I looked at the numbers last night and I already > have my limit. > > In the future, I would really like for you to

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread John P. Brooks
Did someone mention Dallas? On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, "Linda Palit" wrote: > WhoaŠ. > After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is still > good, and squizzin¹ still worth it.  > > But there is not going to be that little water.  Besides ­ options are limited > unless you want

RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Linda Palit
Whoa…. After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is still good, and squizzin’ still worth it. But there is not going to be that little water. Besides – options are limited unless you want to go to Dallas for TCR. So OKAY – all is good and get it on! From

RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Andy Zenker
Sungglin' with your main squeeze ain't so fun when you got the stank on...  but do-able I suppose Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Stefan Creaser wrote: From: Stefan Creaser Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion To: "TexasCavers" List-Post: texascavers@texascave

Re: [Texascavers] Priest's Cave Presentation in Houston

2009-08-25 Thread caverarch
More details, since the link didn't work for me: Host: Institute for Hebraic-Christian Studies - Dr. Richard Booker Type: Meetings - Club/Group Meeting Network: Global List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009 Time: 7:30pm - 9:30pm

Re: [Texascavers] Labor Day at CCNP

2009-08-25 Thread Barbe Barker
Hi Charles, Thank you for your email. I looked at the numbers last night and I already have my limit. In the future, I would really like for you to think about Thanksgiving, Presidents' Day or Memorial Day. CRF has most of the 3 day holidays at CCNP and we do a lot of restoration. I always love

texascavers Digest 26 Aug 2009 00:01:30 -0000 Issue 833

2009-08-25 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 26 Aug 2009 00:01:30 - Issue 833 Topics (messages 11829 through 11848): Walking in Circles 11829 by: Mark Minton Re: 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion 11830 by: Allan Cobb 11845 by: Rod Goke 11846 by: Stefan Creaser 11847 by: Rod Goke Box

[Texascavers] Priest's Cave Presentation in Houston

2009-08-25 Thread caverarch
Event in Houston in October: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=122780018060&ref=nf This event's description: A Kristallnacht Memorial which will include a slide show presentation by American caver Chris Nicola about the "Priest's Grotto Story", an amazing story of how 38 Jews survived

RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Rod Goke
Mostly what we used that hose for last year was to clean off the cooking equipment that you and the other TCR cooks used. Are you suggesting that we skip that task this year, since you'd rather wait and clean everything after you get home?  ;-)Rod-Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser Sen

RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
Surely we’re cavers and can wait ‘til we get home to clean off? Would save a bunch of hassle/TCR expense… Stefan From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:36 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion If I remember cor

Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

2009-08-25 Thread Rod Goke
If I remember correctly, there was running water available in the restrooms, and there was a hose from that building to the cooking area, supplying water for dishwashing, hosing off, etc. If that's still available, I don't see any need for a water truck. Is there any reason to think that that water

Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

2009-08-25 Thread Charles Goldsmith
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[Texascavers] China contacts for a caving trip in late October?

2009-08-25 Thread Renee Skwara
I am going to China in late October this year and have heard that there are some amazing caves over there!! If anyone knows of someone who lives in China, in the caving community, that would know of any possibilites or have information about visiting some caves while I am there; I am really intere

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RE: [Texascavers] Cub Cave - part 2

2009-08-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
1) How do you tell the difference between a caver and a rock climber? I can't remember having 'caver' tattooed on me anywhere (though I could have been drunk at the time!). 2) No! *shock*! 3) Probably not, there would be plenty of stuff to tie the ropes too 4) Only if a) one could identify them

RE: [Texascavers] Cub Cave - part 2

2009-08-25 Thread Fritz Holt
David, You make some good points. Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:52 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Cub Cave - part 2 My comments posted here yesterday about rock-climbers bolting routes in Cub Cave, reac

[Texascavers] Cub Cave - part 2

2009-08-25 Thread David
My comments posted here yesterday about rock-climbers bolting routes in Cub Cave, reached the climbing community in less than 24 hours. One of them would like me to clarify my statement.At the time of writing that, it was just an opinion, on a topic that I am not familiar with. ( Could I have

[Texascavers] Climbing Cave Entrances

2009-08-25 Thread Mark Minton
David Locklear said: I think what I am trying to say is that cavers need to draw the line somewhere, when it comes to a bunch of rock-climbers rigging and naming various bolted routes all over the pits. In parts of the West where lava tubes are common, some had become favorit

RE: [Texascavers] Cub cave related

2009-08-25 Thread George Veni
Cub Cave is located in northern San Antonio in Stone Oak Park. It has the largest cave entrance in Bexar County but beyond that it is small and crawly with breakdown on one side and solid wall on the other. A few years ago a fireman was hurt during rescue training. I looked at the area, saw where a