Back in '93 or '94 a close friend (I'll not name him here) and I
"cleaned" the Cub overhang (with the assistance of Joe and Linda's *
extraordinarily* rickety 30ft extension ladder) of all those ugly 'biners
and 'draws and and used the leavings to subsidize my early caving career. I
certainly don't mean to suggest any other young caver undertake the same
endeavor. T'would be a shame for a few climbers to lose some gear as to
allow a young caver to save a few extra dollars for powdered potato fueled
south'rn Mexican expeditions..... A sin I tell 'ya!
-Gary MacDaniels
Da Junk, Coloraddy
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:34 PM, SS <back2scool...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh….but at the end of the day…aren’t all those unsightly marks just an
> eyesore for us humans occupying this mere blink the geologic eye.. At the
> end of the day there really is nothing we can do to harm a cave since it is
> not the same place today that it was ten thousand years ago and it will not
> be the same place in ten thousand years from now as it is today. In fact,
> we may not even be around in ten thousand years. So technically….all this
> really boils down to present day human perception of what “Impact” is on a
> cave.
>
>
>
> I’m sure no indigenous person ever trashed a cave or wrote graffiti on the
> walls or left their garbage lying around…. Oh wait…they did. But since it
> was over a hundred years ago its considered “Historical”….. So wait a
> hundred years and those holes and chalk marks will be historical not
> unsightly! Amazing how time cures all!
>
>
>
>
>
> Father Time
>
>
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>
> *From:* Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:18 PM
> *To:* 'Cavers Texas'
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Climbing Cave Entrances
>
>
>
> David Locklear said:
>
>
> I think what I am trying to say is that cavers need to draw the line
> somewhere, when it comes to a bunch
> of rock-climbers rigging and naming various bolted routes all over the
> pits.
>
>
> In parts of the West where lava tubes are common, some had become
> favorite spots for rock climbers. Some tubes were heavily bolted with
> routes going up across the ceilings of the tubes. The climbers also left
> lots of unsightly white marks from the chalk they use on their hands. It
> got so bad in some areas that the federal agencies involved with land
> management (BLM, USFS) banned the practice. That was several years ago. I
> haven't heard much about it recently, so maybe it has become less common.
>
> Mark Minton
>
>
> You may reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
>
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~Gary McDaniel
Grand Junction, CO
