Sorry to clutter Cavetex, but I have an issue.
Inconveniently, I have injured or killed another computer. If you have sent me
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Thanks
David Locklear said:
So what is the correct protocol for pushing a tight downward passage ?
A smart way to push tight passages is to go in feet
first. That usually keeps your head above your feet, and it makes it
much easier for people to help if you get stuck. And if it
Exactly what Mark said. Feet first while abit clumsy has two main advantages A)
you're body is designed to climb up and B) the blood doesn't rush to your head
and cause problems. We teach this on all of our beginner trips here in Austin
for good reason If you've never been down a passage before
I've tried to keep this in mind, but I wish my feet had eyes. Often,
you can't tell if a crawlway's worth pushing unless you can cram your
head in it and look around a constriction or corner. I wish I had some
sort of stethoscopic viewer of some kind to shove through
constrictions instead
Lois,
There are a few of us from the Sandia Grotto who have ridgewalked
areas adjacent to there, including the White Mesa Recreational Area,
and to the north in the Zia Pueblo. It is likely someone in our group
has been out in the wilderness area.
Indeed, there are some rather interesting
If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE
don't call 911!
-WaV
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:
Utah cave to entomb spelunker
Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal
cavern with his body inside.
By
Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :)
just joking wavy
Charles
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:
If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE
don't call 911!
-WaV
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at
I was rescued and was outside of the cave...
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Charles Goldsmith
To: Don Cooper
Cc: jerryat...@aol.com ; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
Don't
But you couldn't call that a cave rescue then :)
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:
I was rescued and was outside of the cave...
Bill
- Original Message -
*From:* Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
*To:* Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com
*Cc:*
Above cave rescue
- Original Message -
From: Charles Goldsmith
To: Bill Bentley
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
But you couldn't call that a cave rescue then :)
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bill
Good one!
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:51
To: Don Cooperwavyca...@gmail.com
Cc: jerryat...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
Don't you
Haha!
Nothing other than my own bad habits are keeping me from getting back into
caving condition.
It could happen!
And since this topic is current, I couldn't help trying to put a mental note
in everyone's noggin.
The idea of being unsuccessfully rescued by emergency personnel sure doesn't
sound
texascavers Digest 30 Nov 2009 06:33:48 - Issue 897
Topics (messages 12726 through 12736):
Re: Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
12726 by: Don Cooper
12728 by: Charles Goldsmith
Linda Palit's Mail --Off Topic
12727 by: Linda Palit
cave rescue related
12729
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This is a response to Don's request to not call 911
if he needs a cave rescue.
I agree with him.
Caver's should inform other caver's prior to their trips
about their plans in the cave, especially if they plan to do
anything risky, like cave-dive a sump that is a mile
crawl into a cave, or bolt
In the event of a cave accident, in the State of Texas you must call 911.
That said, make sure the sheriff's department in your area knows that cave
rescue is a special skill and make sure the sheriff has an easy way to
contact the people with those skills.
I'm betting just about any sheriff
Does that mean that we cannot start a self-rescue until the sheriff arrives
and approves it? Where is that line drawn? What if we preform a self-rescue
and never can or manage to get ahold of the sheriff or call 911? What kind
of trouble are we in then? Just want to be sure to comply with the law.
I feel like I have posted this before, but can't remember.
Back in 1995, caver's gathered in the Sierra Alvarez for the 3rd Mexpeleo.
There was a female on rope in and found her self upside-down in a
tight vertical crevice.The cave was only about 1/4 mile from camp.
Her husband rushed
This law about calling 911 seems subjective. If we were required by
law everytime there was a cave accident (whatever that is) I think I
would have called it at least a half a dozen times by now. There are
plenty of times I've been with someone stuck or have been stuck
myself for far longer than
Chris Vreeland said:
I wish I had some sort of stethoscopic viewer of some kind to shove
through constrictions instead of my head.
I know a couple of people who have rigged up a small video
camera and light on a stick that they can probe a tight passage to
see what's on the
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