Re: [Texascavers] Nutty Putty Cave

2009-12-04 Thread Gill Edigar
So, how come nobody's giving us the details of the most important event of the rescue--where the rescuers dropped the victim? That needs to be discussed and analysed at length and in public so that similar things can be avoided in the future. Right now there's nothing but rumors about it--some of

[Texascavers] PBSS December meeting

2009-12-04 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
Greetings, All The regularly scheduled monthly meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society will be on Tuesday December 8th, at 7:00 pm, in the back room at Murray's Deli which is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. Topics of discussion, etc: Election of Officers, Christmas Party, 5

[Texascavers] FW: Out of town caver looking to cave in SA, TX

2009-12-04 Thread Mark . Alman
Welcome back to TX, Shelly! We'll see what we can do. Anyone in the SA area interested in helping Shelly out? Please contact her, if interested. Thanks, Mark - Forwarded Message From: Shelly Arreguin cavin...@gmail.com To: chair...@cavetexas.org

[Texascavers] Caver breakups

2009-12-04 Thread wesley s
I Just had a good chuckle over an article in the Dec 2009 NSS news on Inter-caver breakups. Best piece of advice was not to let the EX push you out of territory. Go in that cave again and don’t be afraid to revisit an area you formerly caved together. This includes grotto meetings. I think this

[Texascavers] Address for Ed Alexander Memorial

2009-12-04 Thread Denise P
FYI, in case you want to google a map. Cheers, Denise From: str...@childinc.org To: pepabe...@hotmail.com We have never used an address because the ranch is spread out and straddles a county line. But several years ago the ambulance drivers and the UPS delivery folks got

texascavers Digest 4 Dec 2009 23:23:24 -0000 Issue 904

2009-12-04 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 4 Dec 2009 23:23:24 - Issue 904 Topics (messages 12810 through 12818): book review: Cave Paintings 12810 by: Mixon Bill Re: Nutty Putty Cave 12811 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com 12812 by: Gill Edigar PBSS December meeting 12813 by: J. LaRue

[Texascavers] Nutty Putty Cave sealed :

2009-12-04 Thread JerryAtkin
Nutty Putty cave sealed with concrete _ By Jason Bergreen The Salt Lake Tribune_ (mailto:jbergr...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt Lake Tribune: Nutty Putty cave sealed with concrete) Updated: 12/04/2009 12:09:24 AM MST The mouth of Nutty Putty Cave was sealed with concrete Thursday, turning

[Texascavers] Nutty Putty questions unanswered

2009-12-04 Thread Gill Edigar
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Scott McCrea sc...@swaygogear.com wrote: Andy Armstrong answers your quesiton here: http://forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?p=79297#p79297 ...and Geary Schindel wrote: What is reported in the popular press is rarely correct in these incidents and Andy does a

[Texascavers] Re: Nutty Putty questions unanswered

2009-12-04 Thread Mark Minton
I have heard third hand (from the friend of a friend of one of the rescuers) that it was not a bolt that pulled out as I had previously stated (based on my reading of the news reports), but rather a natural anchor that failed. The rock apparently broke at some sort of intermediate

Re: [Texascavers] Nutty Putty questions unanswered

2009-12-04 Thread Rod Goke
And what better way to cover up physical evidence of what actually happened than to permanently close the cave and to destroy its entrance?The one thing that government agencies and most other bureaucracies tend to fear the most is public embarrassment about something they did wrong, either

[Texascavers] Nutty Putty Cave trip details

2009-12-04 Thread David
Below is a trip report from a member of the caving group. Note that after an hour of just 2 people trying to help the victim, all but one decided to return to the surface to sing church hymns, ( I presume Mormon hymns. ), while they waited for rescuers to show up. Also, note that only two cavers

[Texascavers] Re: Nutty Putty Cave trip details

2009-12-04 Thread David
Here is a photo of the entrance before it was sealed: http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/2183828.jpg The authorities claim the concrete can be removed someday if the need were to arise. One news source claimed the rescue cost $ 40,000 and that further attempts would have escalated the cost.