[Texascavers] news from deepest cave

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
News of trip into the world's deepest cave, posted in Spanish to the Tlamaqui e-mail list by Franco Attolini Smithers (a really international combination of names). What follows is Google translation into English (sort of). Machine translation has a long way to go. For those who can read

[Texascavers] Cave Archaeology in South Africa; 3D Disto

2011-08-18 Thread Mark Minton
There is an article about a recently documented shelter cave in South Africa called Klipdrift in the online publication Technology More by Trimble http://www.trimble.com/technologyandmore/i2-2011/. See p. 4-5. The article is from a surveyor's perspective, but may still be

[Texascavers] 3D distance meter

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
Hmm. That new Leica 3D thingie (http://www.leica-geosystems.com/en/Leica-3D-Disto_94606.htm ) looks like, with the right software, it might be a relatively inexpensive LIDAR unit--but still $8000. -- Mixon The only thing worse than being talked about is

[Texascavers] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg Lee Skinner

Re: [SWR] [SandiaGrotto] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Tenzin Beck
Not likely a meteor-- it's too conical, and has no sign of a rim or nearby ejecta. Always hard to judge scale and angles in these kinds of images... anyway, my guess is that the underlying lava tube had a partial collapse on its own, causing the sand/regolith to funnel in. -Tenzin On Thu, Aug 18,

texascavers Digest 18 Aug 2011 17:23:41 -0000 Issue 1369

2011-08-18 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 18 Aug 2011 17:23:41 - Issue 1369 Topics (messages 18356 through 18360): Re: Explore the outdoors with Trail Maps by National Geographic 18356 by: germanyj.aol.com UT Grotto meeting Wednesday August 17, 2011 18357 by: Gary Franklin OFF TOPIC

[Texascavers] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
How much of the missing material has disappeared via the pit into the underground cavern? I'd say all of it. Symmetry remarkable. Would be nice to know how steep that slope is. -- Mixon The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked

[Texascavers] news from deepest cave

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
News of trip into the world's deepest cave, posted in Spanish to the Tlamaqui e-mail list by Franco Attolini Smithers (a really international combination of names). What follows is Google translation into English (sort of). Machine translation has a long way to go. For those who can read

[Texascavers] Cave Archaeology in South Africa; 3D Disto

2011-08-18 Thread Mark Minton
There is an article about a recently documented shelter cave in South Africa called Klipdrift in the online publication Technology More by Trimble http://www.trimble.com/technologyandmore/i2-2011/. See p. 4-5. The article is from a surveyor's perspective, but may still be

[Texascavers] 3D distance meter

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
Hmm. That new Leica 3D thingie (http://www.leica-geosystems.com/en/Leica-3D-Disto_94606.htm ) looks like, with the right software, it might be a relatively inexpensive LIDAR unit--but still $8000. -- Mixon The only thing worse than being talked about is

[Texascavers] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg Lee Skinner

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread DONALD G. DAVIS
Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg Lee Skinner Maybe, but the

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Penny Boston
Hi Lee, Yes, the event you suggest is what we also suspect. This image is relatively new, but we have also been trading around a couple of other instances of an apparently similar crater breaching of subsurface cavity. A colleague in London recently sent me another entry into the Martian

Re: [SWR] [SandiaGrotto] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Tenzin Beck
Not likely a meteor-- it's too conical, and has no sign of a rim or nearby ejecta. Always hard to judge scale and angles in these kinds of images... anyway, my guess is that the underlying lava tube had a partial collapse on its own, causing the sand/regolith to funnel in. -Tenzin On Thu, Aug 18,

[Texascavers] Re: [SandiaGrotto] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
On 8/18/2011 11:38 AM, Tenzin Beck wrote: Not likely a meteor-- it's too conical, and has no sign of a rim or nearby ejecta. Always hard to judge scale and angles in these kinds of images... anyway, my guess is that the underlying lava tube had a partial collapse on its own, causing the

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Peter Jones
That is cool!! Sign me up for the survey trip Peter On Aug 18, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum

[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
On 8/18/2011 11:29 AM, Peter Jones wrote: That is cool!! Sign me up for the survey trip But be careful, Peter. It could also be the home of the endangered Giant Martian Ant-Lion. When you repel in, take some bear spray.! Lee Skinner

texascavers Digest 18 Aug 2011 17:23:41 -0000 Issue 1369

2011-08-18 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 18 Aug 2011 17:23:41 - Issue 1369 Topics (messages 18356 through 18360): Re: Explore the outdoors with Trail Maps by National Geographic 18356 by: germanyj.aol.com UT Grotto meeting Wednesday August 17, 2011 18357 by: Gary Franklin OFF TOPIC

[Texascavers] news from deepest cave

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
News of trip into the world's deepest cave, posted in Spanish to the Tlamaqui e-mail list by Franco Attolini Smithers (a really international combination of names). What follows is Google translation into English (sort of). Machine translation has a long way to go. For those who can read

[Texascavers] Cave Archaeology in South Africa; 3D Disto

2011-08-18 Thread Mark Minton
There is an article about a recently documented shelter cave in South Africa called Klipdrift in the online publication Technology More by Trimble http://www.trimble.com/technologyandmore/i2-2011/. See p. 4-5. The article is from a surveyor's perspective, but may still be

[Texascavers] 3D distance meter

2011-08-18 Thread Mixon Bill
Hmm. That new Leica 3D thingie (http://www.leica-geosystems.com/en/Leica-3D-Disto_94606.htm ) looks like, with the right software, it might be a relatively inexpensive LIDAR unit--but still $8000. -- Mixon The only thing worse than being talked about is

[Texascavers] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg Lee Skinner

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread DONALD G. DAVIS
Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg Lee Skinner Maybe, but the

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Penny Boston
Hi Lee, Yes, the event you suggest is what we also suspect. This image is relatively new, but we have also been trading around a couple of other instances of an apparently similar crater breaching of subsurface cavity. A colleague in London recently sent me another entry into the Martian

Re: [SWR] [SandiaGrotto] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Tenzin Beck
Not likely a meteor-- it's too conical, and has no sign of a rim or nearby ejecta. Always hard to judge scale and angles in these kinds of images... anyway, my guess is that the underlying lava tube had a partial collapse on its own, causing the sand/regolith to funnel in. -Tenzin On Thu, Aug 18,

[Texascavers] Re: [SandiaGrotto] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
On 8/18/2011 11:38 AM, Tenzin Beck wrote: Not likely a meteor-- it's too conical, and has no sign of a rim or nearby ejecta. Always hard to judge scale and angles in these kinds of images... anyway, my guess is that the underlying lava tube had a partial collapse on its own, causing the

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Peter Jones
That is cool!! Sign me up for the survey trip Peter On Aug 18, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava tube? http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 and click on this one in your browser for maximum

[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

2011-08-18 Thread Lee H. Skinner
On 8/18/2011 11:29 AM, Peter Jones wrote: That is cool!! Sign me up for the survey trip But be careful, Peter. It could also be the home of the endangered Giant Martian Ant-Lion. When you repel in, take some bear spray.! Lee Skinner