[Texascavers] Boy Scout Climbing Director needed

2012-05-01 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
All, Concho Valley Council needs a Climbing Director for Camp Sol Mayer 2012 Summer Camp. Staff week for the camp starts June 2nd and the next 3 weeks are 3 camp sessions, Sunday afternoon through Saturday morning. If you are interested but not certified for BSA Climbing, the Council will send

RE: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC:

Re: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Nico Escamilla
we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this

RE: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
Probably baked your brain!! Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:05:54 -0500 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise

[Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Ron R
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Me
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Natasha Glasgow
Lyndon,   Karstsports.com has them!   Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Stefan Creaser
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread germanyj
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be)

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Mark Minton
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Stefan Creaser
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Fritz Holt
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Tim Stich
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: Old farts like ladders and I are one. I

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Bill Walden
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave

texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 -0000 Issue 1539

2012-05-01 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 - Issue 1539 Topics (messages 19905 through 19924): Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave 19905 by: Louise Power Re: 19906 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 19907 by: Nico Escamilla 19916 by: Louise Power 19921 by: Nico

[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project

2012-05-01 Thread Marvin and Lisa
Cavers: The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect. On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I

[Texascavers] Boy Scout Climbing Director needed

2012-05-01 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
All, Concho Valley Council needs a Climbing Director for Camp Sol Mayer 2012 Summer Camp. Staff week for the camp starts June 2nd and the next 3 weeks are 3 camp sessions, Sunday afternoon through Saturday morning. If you are interested but not certified for BSA Climbing, the Council will send

RE: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Nico Escamilla
we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this

[Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Ron R
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Me
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Natasha Glasgow
Lyndon,   Karstsports.com has them!   Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Stefan Creaser
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread germanyj
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be)

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Mark Minton
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Stefan Creaser
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Fritz Holt
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Tim Stich
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: Old farts like ladders and I are one. I

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Bill Walden
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave

texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 -0000 Issue 1539

2012-05-01 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 - Issue 1539 Topics (messages 19905 through 19924): Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave 19905 by: Louise Power Re: 19906 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 19907 by: Nico Escamilla 19916 by: Louise Power 19921 by: Nico

[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project

2012-05-01 Thread Marvin and Lisa
Cavers: The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect. On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I

Re: [Texascavers] Ancient Human Skeleton Stolen from Cenote

2012-05-01 Thread Logan McNatt
Thanks for that link, Mark. I guess the grave robbers figure they can sell it on the black market? I don't have much hope they will be caught unless they do something else stupid. The New Scientist website has some interesting headlines, akin to The Onion, like Wrinkled Doughnut Solves

[Texascavers] Boy Scout Climbing Director needed

2012-05-01 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
All, Concho Valley Council needs a Climbing Director for Camp Sol Mayer 2012 Summer Camp. Staff week for the camp starts June 2nd and the next 3 weeks are 3 camp sessions, Sunday afternoon through Saturday morning. If you are interested but not certified for BSA Climbing, the Council will send

RE: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Nico Escamilla
we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this

RE: [Texascavers]

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
Probably baked your brain!! Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:05:54 -0500 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On

[Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Ron R
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Me
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Natasha Glasgow
Lyndon,   Karstsports.com has them!   Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Stefan Creaser
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread germanyj
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be)

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Mark Minton
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Stefan Creaser
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Fritz Holt
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Tim Stich
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: Old farts like ladders and I are one. I

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Bill Walden
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel

RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?

2012-05-01 Thread Louise Power
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave

texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 -0000 Issue 1539

2012-05-01 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 - Issue 1539 Topics (messages 19905 through 19924): Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave 19905 by: Louise Power Re: 19906 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 19907 by: Nico Escamilla 19916 by: Louise Power 19921 by: Nico

[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project

2012-05-01 Thread Marvin and Lisa
Cavers: The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect. On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I

Re: [Texascavers] Ancient Human Skeleton Stolen from Cenote

2012-05-01 Thread Logan McNatt
Thanks for that link, Mark. I guess the grave robbers figure they can sell it on the black market? I don't have much hope they will be caught unless they do something else stupid. The New Scientist website has some interesting headlines, akin to The Onion, like Wrinkled Doughnut Solves