Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-slander

2014-12-22 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I saw you drink a margarita on a caving related event… On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:42 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: The Queen of Speleo-slander will not stop until somebody gives her a Brownie-Button. I know at least 2 cavers who can wake up every morning and

Re: [Texascavers] Unbecoming conduct

2014-12-22 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
pathetic world u boys live in! So glad he/they aren't in the real world. Boy, u sure mixed that one up and u obvious are NO judge of character! On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I really like Bockbeer and will defend him, and I

Re: [Texascavers] A special TSA award ?

2014-12-22 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Who is Julie Jenkins anyway some crazy? On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Dickhead, feel free to accept anything up your. Anus! On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Julie

Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-confessions

2014-12-22 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
our fix while surveying. --Don On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Charles Loving I saw you drink a margarita on a caving related event… ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail

Re: [Texascavers] Time-out - New topic

2014-12-21 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Come on Bockbeer stop being a sap. You sound like you are whining about nothing. Just relax and fill that bottle or jug that you think is the answer to going pee pee. I have yet to publish the pages of KArst Walker with Bock Beer being captured by the overweight Amazons and being force into

Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

2014-12-20 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I recall Bob Burney and I mapping the Lake of the Clouds room in Carlsbad. I even found a photo of that event. Not the same place of course. But the clouds were huge and impressive to say the least. The water was deep. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers

[Texascavers] Off topic

2014-12-20 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Listen to this nice song by the late John Clay whom ancient cavers will recall. http://www.christyandtheplowboys.com/Music/Mockingbird.mp3 -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives:

Re: [Texascavers] locklear

2014-12-20 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
We have to be kind to Bockbeer he keeps involved in things we never even think of like peeing in bottles and carrying them around. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I'm confused Julie, David said he knew nothing about Cave X. His

Re: [Texascavers] Related to speleo-vehicles

2014-12-16 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
And the gas used per mile wouldn't get you very far. I go fro Spanish Land Rovers. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:57 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/12/16/first-public-auction-military-humvees-causing-buzz/ A Humvee Ambulance would

Re: [Texascavers] Related to speleo-vehicles

2014-12-16 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Used Spanish Land Rovers in Angola and at time the Mercedes Unimog a real interesting vehicle the ones we used had twin machine guns mounted on them. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Charles Loving lovingi...@gmail.com wrote: And the gas used per mile wouldn't get you very far. I go fro Spanish

Re: [Texascavers] Cobb Cave ?

2014-11-28 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Cobb Cavern was near FLorence as I recall. Susie Holstrom, myself, and four or five others mapped the cave for the owners who were using it as a show cave at the time. The map once drafted was framed and on the wall at the entrada. The cave close as a tourist attraction due to lack of interest and

[Texascavers] Google Earth

2014-11-27 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
There is a recognizable picture of old caver Charley Jennings on Google Earth holding a weed eater. Amazing -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives:

Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

2014-11-14 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Carizal as a tourist cave is a terrible idea. It isn't very pretty at any of the levels. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Espeleo Coahuila via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Currently the Caves of Carrizal, are considered of the state of Coahuila and the Secretary of

Re: [Texascavers] free to good home

2014-11-07 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
My 1983 Bronco with 350,000 plus miles got me $1,500 On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: That's all? Sounds fixable. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Question

2014-11-06 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
My Little Pony goes Caving. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I guess I gave too many hints. Logan wins the prize . Thank you. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Mexico trip in November

2014-11-03 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Crash I'm off to the Devil's river project. If I survive that I will be ready for Bustamante. I would cross the border at Eagle Pass. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Bill, It printed for me, and I'm also using an out-of-date

Re: [Texascavers] Making lava tubes??

2014-11-02 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Rode horses through the lava tubes o Turialba in Costa Rica and that was way cool. The crater was at 10,000 feet. INTERESTING. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:41 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Making lava tubes?? For those of you/us who are interested in volcanology,

[Texascavers] OTR

2014-10-07 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Finally figured out where it is. My Spring Branch is near Houston. What exactly is the schedule? Is it a Friday affair or a Saturday affair? I have given up camping and don't have a camper or any of that falderal. I have missed the past four or five OTRs and wanted to attend but may miss out

Re: [Texascavers] OTR

2014-10-07 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Finally figured out where it is. My Spring Branch is near Houston. What exactly is the schedule? Is it a Friday affair or a Saturday affair? I have given up camping and don't have a camper or any of that falderal. I have

Re: [Texascavers] OTR

2014-10-07 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
- not camping. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Finally figured out where it is. My Spring Branch is near Houston. What exactly is the schedule? Is it a Friday affair or a Saturday affair? I have given up camping and don't have

[Texascavers] Not Dead Yet Party Nov 1 at Dave's

2014-09-28 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Peter and his band will play. BYO pot luck. BBQ furnished. -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/

[Texascavers] Not Dead Yet PArty Nov 1

2014-09-28 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Band and food. Come one come all. -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/

Re: [Texascavers] Not Dead Yet Party Nov 1 at Dave's

2014-09-28 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
is Peter and where is the party? Ron *From:* Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:05 PM *To:* Terry Plemons tdplem...@gmail.com ; Cavers Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com ; he...@comcast.net ; Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net

Re: [Texascavers] The Briscoe Estate

2014-09-14 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Being in the area isn't enough. I think Oakley would be an expert on this. On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Interesting post david...Preston On Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:37 PM, David via Texascavers

Re: [Texascavers] Linkedin related + Yahoo

2014-09-14 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I had a yahoo 15 years ago myself and have not looked at it in 15 years. I don't look at Linkydink or Tweet or those folks. Someone signed me up for a Facebook Account and I don't know who? But I sort of like it. As for Linkydink there is a photo of me on my site which is a mystery as how it got

Re: [Texascavers] Linkedin related

2014-09-14 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Why use Linkydink? What does it offer. I delete all references even though there is an excellent photo of me drawing cartoons for the Stars and Stripes as my photo. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:02 AM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: If you are using Linkedin, please

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

2014-09-12 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Racccoon is only two. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:06 PM, C. William Steele via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I vote for 65 years of age and up. Bill Sent from my iPhone C. William Bill Steele cell 214-770-4712 cwilliamste...@gmail.com www.worldexplorersbureau.com On

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

2014-09-12 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I was on the registration sheet at Luckenbach but no one saw me cause I was in the bar with Hondo and Strickland. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Maybe an old timer is someone that attended the first TOTR or at least had the

Re: [Texascavers] old-timer definition

2014-09-12 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
All old timers look like Old Man Wisdom or the late Squire Lewis, all other are frauds. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Once before, I think the definition was something like had been a Texas caver before 1970. I caved in Texas in

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

2014-09-12 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I want to be a general. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jon via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It appears that Ellie will have to build a matrix to rank and rate all of the variables to determine this. On Friday, September 12, 2014 12:55 PM, Charles Loving via

Re: [Texascavers] Definition of Old-timer

2014-09-12 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Well crap. I don't qualify. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I disagree that age should be a factor. A person must show proof they are an Old-timer to receive this sacred title. Here are examples of proof, 1 ). NSS # issued

Re: [Texascavers] TCR is almost here!!!

2014-09-11 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
When we were young we were loud and brash and drunken and nude and dance and sang and were totally obnoxious. I remember that from being a UT Caver the biggest Grotto of iniquity there was. Censored even by Albilene Grotte for rowdiness. We played king of the mountain drunk in San Angelo until

Re: [Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale

2014-09-04 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
. these folks love their land and want a pretty penny for it. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. Fritz Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale

2014-09-03 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Was on Falling Water ranch a few weeks ago. It indeed has two caves and it is 6,000 acre as with a beautiful house and cabins and running water. I walked it with the foreman and went onto the bigger cave, and have a photo someplace. It is gated and easy to get around in. There is a running creek

Re: [Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale

2014-09-03 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
It sold for $6,000,000 last week. The guy that owned it is from Wisconsin but hangs out in San Antonio. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Charles Loving lovingi...@gmail.com wrote: Was on Falling Water ranch a few weeks ago. It indeed has two caves and it is 6,000 acre as with a beautiful house

Re: [Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale

2014-09-03 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Was on Falling Water ranch a few weeks ago. It indeed has two caves and it is 6,000 acre as with a beautiful house and cabins and running water. I walked it with the foreman and went onto the bigger cave, and have a photo

Re: [Texascavers] tcr

2014-08-31 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I was there. Bill Bell was there as well and Terry Plemons as old cavers. We actually cooked something that I can't recall but we camped on an island across from the dance hall. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: TCR--On this day

Re: [Texascavers] tcr

2014-08-31 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Where is this list? On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: So how many cavers on this list were there? I was, and can think of about 10 others for sure, probably more. All you Old Timers let us know. You more recent cavers probably

Re: [Texascavers] tcr

2014-08-31 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Where exactly is this list. All the .com things are way too complicated for duffs me? I think Ed Alexander might have been there too since we usually traveled about together. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: TCR--On this day (the

Re: [Texascavers] Photos Luckenbach Sept. 1978

2014-08-31 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Great photos. On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Bob West via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Here is a link to facebook photo album of all the photos I have of 1st Texas Old Timers' Reunion... ...gathering at the old cotton gin in Luckenbach...

Re: [Texascavers] Texas caving history

2014-08-31 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Worth every penny it is. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Sign your posts, _and_ also make sure they include your e-mail address to facilitate private responses. If you found Carl Kunath's post about the first TCR interesting

Re: [Texascavers] Ammo boxes on sale

2014-08-25 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
I usually keep ammo in my ammo boxes. One for 22 calibre, one for 30/30, one for 8MM, and one for bazooka shells. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 5:54 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: From: dlocklea...@gmail.com Sam's Club has a large supply of new Ammo boxes. For $

Re: [Texascavers] Ammo boxes on sale

2014-08-25 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Loving via Texascavers *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 6:15 PM *To:* Cavers Texas *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Ammo boxes on sale I usually keep ammo in my ammo boxes. One for 22 calibre, one for 30/30, one for 8MM, and one for bazooka

Re: [Texascavers] your award

2014-08-23 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Charles, I want to personally thank you for the help you've extended to me w my Yahoo address issues. The award and congratulations are quite well deserved. Jules On Aug 23, 2014, at 8:57

Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post

2014-08-23 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Cave lights? The holy carbide lamp comes to mind. They were the very best and they added excitement to caving because they could explode and you could use them to muck up walls with soot. There was one called the fool light, which was a huge carbide light that had a huge reflector. And there is

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] CREE lights

2014-07-31 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
And I still use a carbide lamp though not often. It can be used to cook a can of beans. But then the new world of cavers eat that dry stuff that you just add water to and shake. No caver stews I am sure, though we ate a lot of that and so did the Mexican dogs at Golendrinas after the basketball

Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

2014-07-30 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Once upon a time people read books and papers and even knew how to write but the new generation is all into the cereal asile at the Heb or Walmart. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:34 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ouch ! Touchy . Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jul

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2014-07-30 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: As per request from a caver unnamed, I'm posting this here too. You know, just in case I haven't already royally pissed you off yet. But you know what? Worth it. The Texas Caver has just been

Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word

2014-07-30 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
OK good. Where do you want the Adventures of Karst Walker? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook,

Re: [Texascavers] article on Kissing Bugs and Chagas Disease in US

2014-07-29 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Thanks Logan that was a good read. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: This topic has been on the list before. Here's a July 24, 2014 article. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/07/

Re: [Texascavers] GPS recommendation?

2014-07-26 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers
Get a compas and a sexton so you won't have to be beholding to magic in the sky. All that 6.6, 9.9. and such is total marketing. A brunton and a sexton and who the hell needs to be that precise anyway. Anal retentives. Hell Columbus had a real crappy map and made it so what it all this fuss about

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Carlsbad Cavern: old lead goes to big new room in Spirit World

2013-11-13 Thread Charles Loving
Bob and I surveyed some of the cave for the Park Service. we found a flow stone wall that had a small crawl way half way up it that blew out our carbide lamps. That was a few years back. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: Very interesting indeed.

Re: [Texascavers] Fort Stanton Cave

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Loving
Article in the Presidio Paper about drilling for silver by the Candaiand in Brewster County. They are down 500 feet and still going. Driving those huge trucks around and getting out tons of silver ore. Interesting article. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: -

Re: [Texascavers] Fort Stanton Cave

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Loving
Article in the Presidio Paper about drilling for silver by the Candaiand in Brewster County. They are down 500 feet and still going. Driving those huge trucks around and getting out tons of silver ore. Interesting article. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: -

Re: [Texascavers] vegetarians, official tee, brian's son alex

2007-03-26 Thread Charles loving
Cause the carnivores will eat up all the salad and leave nothing but meat for the Vegeatableteerians. On 10/10/05, Scott back2scool...@hotmail.com wrote: Why would vegetarians be fed first? Is it some kind of handicap? Or are Carnivors just seen as inferior? I suppod us carnivouious will

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