[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-18 Thread PMario
Hi, Have a look at TiddlyDocs http://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/tiddlydocs-demo/tiddlers.wiki search TiddlyWeb group for more regards Mario On Mar 18, 11:35 pm, twgrp wrote: > Touched upon many times, but simply not satisfactorily manifested yet: > TW as a tool for authoring books! > > No, I c

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-18 Thread twgrp
On Mar 18, 11:55 pm, PMario wrote: > Have a look at > TiddlyDocshttp://hoster.peermore.com/recipes/tiddlydocs-demo/tiddlers.wiki Thanks! That is interesting and very beautiful! But it seems especially made for TiddlyWeb... which, as far as I know, is a different beast than good ol' vanilla TW th

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-18 Thread twgrp
On Mar 19, 1:11 am, Vincent wrote: > http://twspot.tiddlyspot.com/ > > http://tiddlytagmindmap.tiddlyspot.com/ I appreciate all input, so thanks. But Oy! ;-) That seems as far from linear as you can get, lol! I'm sure it's great for brainstorming though! My initial post may have been a bit crypt

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread PMario
Hi, I like the idea of a linear story line. Thats why I made SelectStoryMacro[1], and StoryGlueMacro[2] which uses NavigationMacro[3]. Have a look at my presentation manager [4]. (which needs some update) The blue sqares in the main menu are from SelectStoryMacro. A Story is a set of tiddlers, th

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread twgrp
On Mar 19, 5:52 am, Anthony Muscio wrote: > Always set your order field to something in the hundereds eg; 100 then > 200 so you will allways be able to insert between them eg; 150 - you Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a lot of manual labor particularly when wanting to re

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Eric Shulman
> I like the idea of a linear story line. Thats why I made > SelectStoryMacro[1], and StoryGlueMacro[2] which uses > NavigationMacro[3]. Have a look at my presentation manager [4]. (which > needs some update) http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#StorySaverPlugin <> <> <> <> <> creates a spa

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread twgrp
On Mar 19, 2:34 pm, Eric Weir wrote: > A question: For getting text, possibly text created and organized in a > TiddlyWiki, into linear form, what's wrong with an ordinary wordprocessor, > e.g., Word, OpenOfficeWrite, or Apple's Pages? > [...] > TW for composing, wordprocessors for editing. Edi

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Mark S.
Good points! Of course, TW users are a somewhat esoteric group ... so far. It seems like a serious barrier to serious publishing is getting the data -- and formatting -- out. Need to be able to export in something like RTF, at a minimum, if you want to create a document that a publisher would be w

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread twgrp
On Mar 19, 4:11 pm, PMario wrote: > [4] http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com Ok, let's see if I get this right; "Topics" are the actual pieces of a story. A story tiddler is defined as a tiddler that lists all the individual Topics. Inside each such topic you see a mini navigation display, (the Lewcid Navi

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread PMario
Hi, On Mar 19, 11:39 pm, twgrp wrote: > On Mar 19, 4:11 pm, PMario wrote: > > > [4]http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com > > Ok, let's see if I get this right; > "Topics" are the actual pieces of a story. A story tiddler is defined > as a tiddler that lists all the individual Topics. Inside each such > top

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread iain
As someone who probably writes a 3000-1 report on average once a fortnight and as an ex editor of a professional journal and as a TW user I am going to add my 10c worth. Firstly no editor would ever except a TW as manuscript. Most editors want everything in simple plain text so that they can f

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Mike
Slightly off topic, but I found this a while back and it relates in context http://www.scribd.com/doc/5271682/Organize-Your-Novel-with-a-Wiki http://www.ljcohen.net/resources-wiki.html http://www.ljcohen.net/Tiddlywikiwrite-2-5-3.html I think the power of TW is "currently" in organization more tha

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread twgrp
Thank you all for your input so far! You make me realize the scope for authoring-tools is wider than I considered, dealing with everything from brain storming, entering content, editing, filtering, assembling, ordering and re-ordering, content display, overview-issues (ToC, indexes etc) to features

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-20 Thread twgrp
To clarify and conclude: The called for concept is simply about a structured way to to turn selected tiddlers into a sequence (...then to be exported). In practice, it would mean to able to either start out with an outline and insert old tiddlers or write new tiddlers into it - or the bottom- upp

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-20 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi twgrp, To me it seems that this is more a question about guidelines, "how to's" and workflows for writing books, essays, papers... rather than just about specific plugins. Once you have a clear vision of your desired workflow, it's probably a rather "simple" matter in tiddlywiki to develop a s

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-20 Thread Tobias Beer
Oh, just realized how many post have been made since I last opened it (and today found it in a restored browser tab), hehe... little late. ;o) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegr

[tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-21 Thread iain
Eric, surely you need to have some general structure in mind before you hit twt-treeview-executive or some other form of Dave Gifford's original notebook idea. The question then is whether the mind map TW's might be of some use to generate the ideas and some structure. I must say I've never got

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-18 Thread Vincent
Didn't someone adapt 'Freemind' or mindmaps to a TW? That would work great for writing a novel. Get all your different plots going and then waive them in and out in complex order for final story. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM, PMario wrote: > Hi, > Have a look at TiddlyDocs > http://hoster.pee

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-18 Thread Vincent
http://twspot.tiddlyspot.com/ http://tiddlytagmindmap.tiddlyspot.com/ On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Vincent wrote: > Didn't someone adapt 'Freemind' or mindmaps to a TW? That would work great > for writing a novel. Get all your different plots going and then waive them > in and out in comp

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Muscio
Hi, On Book writing; I would suggest creating tiddlers and tagging them according to various criteria - some will form character definitions some just story-lettes. Tagging allows you to organise in anyway you want. Now for the linear structure - base it on a heirachy You could then build a set o

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Alex Hough
Hi, TiddlyWikiRoman, von Hartmut Abendschein [1] seems to be German TW novel ALex [1] http://bc.etkbooks.com/opac/ On 19 March 2010 04:52, Anthony Muscio wrote: > Hi, On Book writing; > > I would suggest creating tiddlers and tagging them according to various > criteria - some will form chara

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Eric Weir
On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Alex Hough wrote: > TiddlyWikiRoman, von Hartmut Abendschein [1] seems to be German TW novel May be a counter example to your interest in linear writing. Seems to be a non-linear novel. http://davidvanwert.com/die-vampire-die/ I would point out one thing, though.

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Alex Hough
Hi, For whatever its worth, I think that the barriers to writing non-linear works of literature in TW are not comprised of plugins or another technical aspect. TW is a hypertext tool, and there is a body of work in this field. It seams that serious writers are not drawn to TiddlyWiki so much as pe

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Vincent
Might I suggest we start with a defined 'wishlist'. I am assuming we are interested in a novel (not a text book with linear progression of topics and chapters following a logical sequence). I'm not a novelist, but if I was to write a book... 1. collect ideas (non-linear) 2. map out a basic story

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Eric Weir
On Mar 19, 2010, at 4:15 PM, twgrp wrote: > ...if linearized as late as in the wordprocessor, you'd be forced to > continually transfer things to get an overview of where you are in the > composing process. Perhaps I have not made as much use of TW in composing as I could have. For me it has pr

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-19 Thread Eric Weir
On Mar 19, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Mark S. wrote: > It seems like a serious barrier to serious publishing is getting the > data -- and formatting -- out. Need to be able to export in something > like RTF, at a minimum, if you want to create a document that a > publisher would be willing to consider. Yo

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-20 Thread Eric Weir
On Mar 19, 2010, at 10:40 PM, twgrp wrote: > The closest thing so far for a top-down approach in TW seems to be; > http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/ > It is top-down because you must define a structure before hand. In that sense, I would say twt-treeview-executive -- which as I under

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-21 Thread Eric Weir
On Mar 21, 2010, at 3:56 AM, iain wrote: > surely you need to have some general structure in mind before you hit > twt-treeview-executive or some other form of Dave Gifford's original > notebook idea Nope. I can start with an arbitrary structure -- a root topic and a few subtopics named without

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-21 Thread Vincent
I am still inclined towards a mindmapping TW. It does not appear to be very mature and well worth developing. Twgrp - I wasn't implying top down approach at all. If you look at the elements I proposed it is very much bottomup approach with elements developing much earlier than the final product. P

Re: [tw] Re: As far as I can tell; a NEW and MAJOR application for TW

2010-03-24 Thread Anthony Muscio
Vincent et al; I think you put the requirements rather well. As an interested, but lay Author this subject is of some interest to me. One of the things I enjoy doing, and hope I could demonstrate is an ability to conceptualise and generalise. This is a big part of tiddlywiki's current strength usi