[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Daniel The issue with Pale Moon is not Pale Moon its about what "works for many". Pale Moon is largely perceived as a peripheral experiment. TiddlyServer seems pretty damn good for survival. And the the fact is you can save several ways... - Beaker Browser (Mac only at the moment) - Def

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
In my opinion it's something of a folly to mourn the obsolescence of software. Tempus fugit. Best to just rip off the band aid, download the developer edition of Firefox which is already at 57, and never look back. It's a much better browser and stands a real chance of clawing back market share

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao RichardWilliamSmith wrote: ... it's something of a folly to mourn the obsolescence of software. Tempus fugit. Let's not get too *hastus terminatus* before its time. The point I was making is a valid one, I think: I use TW in a browser WITH other extensions. TW is NOT in isolation. It's si

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Rob I do understand the concern. But it was pretty much a concern without proven foundation. I NEVER, in years, had any problem. AND there is NOTHING I have ever seen that indicates the FF extension system was seriously abused. It seems to me that legitimate paranoia got mixed up with "

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread codacodercodacoder
On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-5, Rob Hoelz wrote: > > I can see where RichardWilliamSmith is coming from - > Me, too. The way they handled it was indeed poor. For example, they could have made an exception and made FF56 an ESR release but (as yet) not so. FF52 is the las

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread Lost Admin
It's not "vaguely possible sometime hack". it's definitely possible sometimes hack. Although to my knowledge the sometimes has turned out to be extremely rare. So, you do have a point. By modern web browser security standards, the old method is far too open with the potential for abuse. Since I

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread Riz
On Wednesday, 4 October 2017 22:34:35 UTC+5:30, Rob Hoelz wrote: > > > > That being said, I was looking through the Web Extensions APIs, and it > looks like the downloads API > > could potentially be used to implement so

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Lost Admin I think you hit a point with this of lasting relevance. Lost Admin wrote: ... I, like many of you, thought it was a strength even if it did require more diligence on my part... Users do get aware--so long as they are not cosseted--they need take responsibility. The problem fo

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Rob Indeed ... Rob Hoelz wrote: ... the horses have left the barn on this issue. ... so in some ways there is nothing to say as its a *fiat-acompli*. Like it or lump it. However, for Tiddlywiki, I think it has some bearing. Currently our model of the basic thing is TW "a web-page you ca

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread TonyM
Folks, I think this is an example of the tail wagging the dog, in this case security or even only the "perception of security". These changes undermine the meaning of the universal client - the browser and don't just handicap tiddlywiki users. Any use of HTML and other webpage services locally

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread TonyM
Riz, I am using FireFox ESR *(Without invoking tiddlyFox on my test wiki)* but Will try the latest FF shortly. On Windows 10 I just used the MKLINK in a Run as Administrator command Prompt to create a symbolic link where a file stored in the download directory has a symbolic link in another f

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
As I keep trying to point out, you don't need a continuously running *anything*. All you need is a start up script that copies your latest file in the download directory to your working directory, and then launches the TW file in the browser. For the rest of your session it's just like working

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
> > "an "always running batch file" can be used to monitor the download folder > and copy updated files to another location if required. You have now made > me think what if the batch-file instead updated the symlink? I am thinking > each time you save an active batch file or windows service re

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread TonyM
Mark, Mark, Please explain further the workflow you are talking about. When you save the file (because you had a lot of changes) how do you avoid the Download Folder select, overwrite step given it appears this will be the only default mechanism. Have you done a test run to see it working? T

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread TonyM
Richard, Sadly Firefox just terminated loosing the response I had already written for you, I have noticed this happen after updates to V56 and is really sad when you have not saved your tiddlywiki, one thing in favor of autosave inside browsers that is for sure. I am all for TiddlyServer, the

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-05 Thread Daniel Fjerstad
Some interesting replies in this thread. Thanks for the input, everyone. TiddlyTweeter: >Pale Moon is largely perceived as a peripheral experiment. Perception or not, it's an incredibly secure browser that faithfully implements open web standards. What you present is a classic chicken and egg

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-05 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-7, Daniel Fjerstad wrote: > > > Mark S.: > > >I prefer to be in charge of when the data gets saved. It would be really > nice if TW had a "save" key stroke for the save action, though. > > I have found a workaround for the fact that there isn't a "S

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-05 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Daniel TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> Pale Moon is largely perceived as a peripheral experiment. >> > Daniel Fjerstad wrote: > Perception or not, it's an incredibly secure browser that faithfully > implements open web standards. What you present is a classic chicken and > egg problem: Pale Moon

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-05 Thread Daniel Fjerstad
On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:19:38 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 8:50:39 AM UTC-7, Daniel Fjerstad wrote: >> >> >> Mark S.: >> >> >I prefer to be in charge of when the data gets saved. It would be really >> nice if TW had a "save" key stroke for the save

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-05 Thread Riz
That is a neat trick. My previous unsuccessful attempts in this line included adding access keys to specific tiddlers to navigate to those tiddlers easily. Unfortunately that did not work out. Again, neat trick. >> >> Sure thing. I simply added the logic to implement the accesskey attribut

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-06 Thread DavidRowe Wtl
I have downloaded and installed Pale Moon latest version 27.5.0 64bit Windows. I then installed TiddlyFox extension for Firefox Version 1.0alpha18.1-signed.1-signed Released September 14, 2013 17.5 KiB Works with Firefox for Android 11.0 - 51.*, Firefox 3.5 - 51.* https://addons.mozilla.org/en

[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-06 Thread Daniel Fjerstad
DavidRowe, that's awesome! I'm glad it's working out for you. One thing I might suggest is to try out the Moon Tester extension. It will allow you to install SDK extensions. Many of them work out of the box, including TiddlyFox 2.0.1. You can find that extension here: https://addons.palemoon.or

Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-03 Thread Arlen Beiler
That's because there are no other solutions that the community knows of. But it's people like you mentioning stuff here that brings it to everyone's attention. I did not know about this and will definitely have to check it out, even though I've used chrome since it started. There are a couple poss

Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread Eneko Gotzon
Hi wonderful coders, and excuse this kind of questions… ​About the falling of TiddlyFox, TiddlyDesktop is not a good choice​? Don't worry answering the question if it's a trivial one. ​Thank you. -- *Eneko Gotzon Ares* *Izan, egon, egin* *Donostia –

Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Eneko GOOD question. Recently Jeremy Ruston said he will update Tiddly Desktop. At the moment it can fail if you use recent CSS as its CSS library is out of date. I should have probably added to that list (*with the caveat: needs updating* ). Best wishes Josiah Eneko Gotzon wrote: > > ​A

Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-04 Thread Arlen Beiler
First of all, TiddlyChrome still works. https://github.com/Arlen22/tiddly-chrome-app And are we at Firefox 57 yet in mainstream? I don't think we are yet. So we are still getting there, basically because it hasn't actually happened yet. We're getting close and we're getting ready. On Wed, Oct 4

Re: [tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

2017-10-05 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Arlen Arlen Beiler wrote:First of all, TiddlyChrome still works. https://github.com/Arlen22/tiddly-chrome-app My apologies Arlen for not including TiddlyChrome on the list I suggested earlier. I revised it as below. Do you know when it will stop working? My understanding is Chrome will