[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

TW Tones wrote: > Have you tried post it notes in software on the desktop? even google keep > starts you down a path which eventually overwhelms you.. You quickly > discover why they (post it notes) are the wrong tool in many cases, and its > not because they are hand written or on paper. >

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Ha Ha, A photo frame may have being better and cheaper. Have you tried post it notes in software on the desktop? even google keep starts you down a path which eventually overwhelms you.. You quickly discover why they (post it notes) are the wrong tool in many cases, and its not because they

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

ludwa6 wrote: > Still: i find it hard to forbear from changing names to reflect changes in > my thinking and/or popular usage. A constant struggle! > The whole PERMALINK thing is a bit of a nightmare. A factor is "social evolution". The first book was printed in 1454

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: > For fleeting notes, I'm thinking of more often making use of my > Chromebook's dictation accessibility feature so that I can dictate my notes > in Keep when it makes sense to have individual notes, or maybe just add > notes in a Google Doc so that I don't have to

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Ciao TW Tones Tones wrote: > Yes, Dictate directly into tiddlywiki.com from my android works after > hitting the mic icon on the keyboards. Right! I think you will find recent Android/Chrome very good at both VOICE and WRITING directly into TW. It is actually becoming usable. At last!

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Ciao Soren Bjornstad Soren Bjornstad wrote: > *TT,* I like your phrasing of the “category error” involved in applying > one notes system to everything. There are likely very few people who have > needed to work with notes of such a wide variety of types that they can > speak confidently on

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Yes, Dictate directly into tiddlywiki.com from my android works after hitting the mic icon on the keyboards. Must see now If I can get it working on my Windows desktop. Voice recognition without training is great now days. I wonder if we could trigger actions like a keyboard shortcut, to open

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Charlie, I think I may be able to dictate directly into tiddlywiki on my android. I must recheck. tones On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 12:21:26 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: > G'day Si, > > You've got me thinking about "fleeting notes", and don't think I've ever > really thought about that

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

G'day Si, You've got me thinking about "fleeting notes", and don't think I've ever really thought about that much. Seeing as I've sold my soul to Google, you've got me thinking about using dictation to throw quick notes into Google Keep as a way to take fleeting notes. For fleeting notes,

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 12:28:40 PM UTC-5 Si wrote: > Ideally I would like to use TiddlyWiki for both sub-systems, but as you > point out the most important thing is the ability to capture stuff with > zero friction, and IMO this is one of the major weaknesses of TiddlyWiki. > I'm tempted

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

@Soren Interestingly your description of Random Thoughts has made me realize that there are a couple of ways in which I already do something kind of similar. First is just capturing fleeting notes while reading, which I later link to evergreen notes (see here

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This is such an awesome thread. On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:04:07 AM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote: > *Walt,* the thing that bugs me most about the “immutable title/ID” idea > is that unless your notes are also going to be immutable, the *content* of > a note can still change so much as to

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

*Walt,* the thing that bugs me most about the “immutable title/ID” idea is that unless your notes are also going to be immutable, the *content* of a note can still change so much as to make the reference not effective anymore. So I don't see much point in bothering, as long as you can avoid

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

That's an important point @TT about the WHY of "Luhmann's Rule," i would say, regarding immutability of the index field. In the world of hard-copy artifacts he was designing, this makes perfect sense... And also on the WWW, still today, where the problem of link-rot is a serious PITA. BUT

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Ciao Si, FOOTNOTE ON ZETTELKASTEN Luhmann's Zettelkasten were, of course, only on paper. He was very dedicated to NEVER changing the INDEX to an entry. He never said, or implied, you could not UPDATE an entry if you wanted too. The Zettelkasten thing is about NOT spawning clone entities,

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Ciao Si, Interesting thread! I read the article on Incremental note-taking ... I'm not so negative about it as maybe some feel. To me it illustrates a generic issue on the internet. That we UNDER-conceptualize what the whole thing is about. On the

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David et al.. Just a quick point while some may find " Myers-Briggs" useful for stimulating discussion about the diversity of people, it actually has being shown to have no basis in science or research, in fact the opposite, it is positively wrong in many respects. I know this as a fact from

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 6:15:18 PM UTC-3 David Gifford wrote: > ... > > 3. It would be interesting to know the personality types (whether using > Myers-Briggs or OCEAN) that gravitate toward certain notetaking tools. This > person seems like he could be an OCD type, feeling the need to

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Hi Si I read this the other day but didn't have time to comment. Now I am done getting ready for our trip tomorrow and I have a moment to breathe. My thoughts: 1. Fascinating that this is the *opposite* of Evergreen notes, which is all the rage now. 2. I think it would make more sense to

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Thanks for the thoughtful replies everyone! I'm definitely in agreement with all that has been said. >>> sorry if my end-of-day (i.e. tired!) response came off as dismissive. @walt Not at all! >>> i think what we want in a note-taking system is not to *replicate* the human brain, but rather

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

@Soren: I appreciate the nuanced understanding you bring to this topic. @Si: sorry if my end-of-day (i.e. tired!) response came off as dismissive. I have since read the subject article with due attention, and while i appreciate the author's perspective, i must agree w/ Soren that it is not

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

You know, chewing on the concept of Incremental note-taking becomes even more interesting in conjunction with chewing on note taking versus note making . The intertwingling of it all. The interweaving of the two threads.

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Man, if I kept every single iteration of every little thought, so that for every little thing I can see the path of thinking between version X and version Y ... way too heavy to carry all of that around. Between the choices of all or nothing, I think I'd prefer nothing. The "all" turns into

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

I think the author's first principle contradicts the article: it says that "good notes should behave like memory." But actual human memory is *not* immutable, not even close; memories are changed somewhat every time we recall them. So it seems to me that a system that actually matched memory

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Si, There are some arguments for this approach, starting with the ability to research how things evolved, but I agree it is somewhat trivial with computers. Some quick thoughts - tiddlywiki could support this starting with the core plugin *Save Trail*: Automatically download modified

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

@Walt >>> let's evolve our docs to keep pace with changes in the world... And let us also keep track of those changes, as is easily done in Github. or your choice of SCM. Well yes, this is what I already do. But the author is advocating for something subtly different: he argues that you

[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

@Si, i must answer your Q w/ a Q: Why must it be viewed as a binary choice? Bearing in mind the wisdom of Gahdhi [1], let's evolve our docs to keep pace with changes in the world... And let us also