[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

TT, I would think many of lewis carols words in Jabberwocky have become real in the minds of those who can recite it. https://interestingliterature.com/2016/01/a-short-analysis-of-jabberwocky-by-lewis-carroll/ The point being something "becomes" when it is seen, used, restated, published. Clea

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

HansWobbe wrote: > > This link ( > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/AZjiguV9DUU/NonZSOLuCAAJ ) is > a start at an explanation that letters are the (alphabetic) symbols used > to form words that are a Special index into a Dictionary of meanings. > Generalizing this yields the realiz

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

springer wrote: > > The analogy with physical parts (atoms, quarks, etc.) may be misleading. > While objects might in principle be always further divisible, information, > in any practical context, is not so. > I agree. Human meaning making is *context dependent *with vast implicit processes o

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Hans, When you say 5 dimensions do you mean in the same key? That is inspirational, but what do you mean? I feel we should have a way to register a unique id for any tiddlywiki we make, then that can be part of a compound key to get an universal serial wiki/tiddler. Would that be 2 dimensional

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Tony: I also like this method of reducing the number of characters needed, by increasing the base. I started doing this in the 1970s using APL (A Programing Language) which made it very easy. Since then, my "alphabet" has grown to its present size of about a thousand characters. Since you ar

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Hans Looking at the telegraph code I recall a discussion on hexadecimal conversion led me to consider translating numbers, specifically decimal serial numbers to one with a large base formed from 0-9 a-z A-Z just to reduce the characters needed. If a number is unique in decimal it will be uniqu

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

This link ( https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/AZjiguV9DUU/NonZSOLuCAAJ ) is a start at an explanation that letters are the (alphabetic) symbols used to form words that are a Special index into a Dictionary of meanings. Generalizing this yields the realization that there are MANY mor

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

@Eric: Well done! That is indeed what I use this symbol for. And your observation that it's rendering depends upon the whims of browsers is also correct. As a result, I only use the symbol personally, as a way of indicating that any tiddler tagged with it, denotes a block of MicroContent tha

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On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:03:39 PM UTC-7, HansWobbe wrote: > > This is the one of the characters that I use most frequently. I nominate > it as a Candidate for the first OneCharacterWiki. Obviously, I should at > least export it as an JSON object, if only to avoid loading the poor thing >

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Chiming in, philosophically, again: The analogy with physical parts (atoms, quarks, etc.) may be misleading. While objects might in principle be always further divisible, information, in any practical context, is not so. Generally, a single character or sound is not an assertable, and building

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The single character as JSON -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit htt

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This is the one of the characters that I use most frequently. I nominate it as a Candidate for the first OneCharacterWiki. Obviously, I should at least export it as an JSON object, if only to avoid loading the poor thing into a standard Empty TiddlyWiki file. After all, it is supposed to be

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I think its fascinating. These kinds of experiment, even if they fail, are hugely informative! And sometimes they are very surprising. TT On Saturday, 6 June 2020 20:49:13 UTC+2, HansWobbe wrote: > > I have several and would be happy to share. > > I do think it's a bit of a bootstrapping exerci

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I have several and would be happy to share. I do think it's a bit of a bootstrapping exercise since we would have to agree on what a particular character means. Fortunately, It has been my experience that this type of communications, within a TiddlyWiki wrapper, can scale up very quickly; so y

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Hans Has anyone made a wiki of single characters? One per Tiddler. It would be an interesting experiment. Let's do it. TT On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 22:41:11 UTC+2, HansWobbe wrote: > > I think the ultimate answer to *"When does a part stop being a fragment?" > *may be "when the fragment is I

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

TonyM wrote: > > > ... a value of tiddlywiki it has the power to take black and white > deterministic software and allow it to grow into more than that, through > emergence into relational, perspective driven, subjective objects, there by > transcending the deterministic nature of computers. >

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Ste, Yes, reviewing the link, it all depend on what you call the whole hologram. If it is "all the 3d information" then dividing it is fragmenting, and loosing 3d data. If you mean a 2d image then there can be many found even after fragmenting the hologram. This goes well to my earlier points

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

The whole thing with fragments in TW subsists in some kind of implicit understanding in The Maker that co-ordinates behavior. IMO this video of a DUCK HELL MARCH encapsulates the issue. I really mean that. HOW does the fragment duck know where its g

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Ciao Ste Ste Wilson wrote: > Interestingly if you create a hologram and then break the glass each > fragment contains all of the hologram... Interesting comment. What I'm taking from this discussion is there a vast richness in concepts of "fragmentation" ... They differ between fields of en

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Hans, Ha! *A mathematician named Klein* *Thought the Möbius band was divine.* * Said he: "If you glue* * The edges of two,* *You'll get a weird bottle like mine."* Actually its a very interesting article. But how does it relate to the Partible

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Ste, Too true re fractals, But I think the fraction of a hologram is loosing some information, like its appearance from different direction? Tony. On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:44:58 AM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote: > > A fragment of a fractal would be an iteration of the whole. -- You received t

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Please pass the KlineBottle. I need a drink! On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:44:58 PM UTC-4, Ste Wilson wrote: > > A fragment of a fractal would be an iteration of the whole. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group

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A fragment of a fractal would be an iteration of the whole. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this

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Interestingly if you create a hologram and then break the glass each fragment contains all of the hologram... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tid

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PMario & Hans Mr friend Mr Darcy considers every fragment is part of a whole always. But sometimes he gets worried. He wrote me "As I look at me left foot I know it is a fragment of me. But I'm concerned it has no idea what it is." Just a comment from my friend. TT -- You received this mess

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Mario: I have a Deeper understanding of things Quantum. I see you suggestion of scale-up as a challenge to elevate my understanding of StringTheory. The last time I reviewed that, they had simplified it to only 11 dimensions to handle the "universe(s)". I am optimistic however since I felt

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 3:18:26 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote: When we join two fragments, we end up with one fragment, that is the point. > The whole universe may only be a fragment of something else, we may never > know. > I do like the idea that 1 + 1 = 1 :) ... It's like a chemical reaction.

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Hans/TT I like the way you think. However to me the beauty of the "Fragment" is it is still a fragment all the way up and all the way down. In the past I have stripped a byte into 8 bits and used each bit as a flag. And whilst I do not know how to fragment bits I can emulate it by having each b

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

I think the ultimate answer to *"When does a part stop being a fragment?" *may be "when the fragment is Indivisible.". Of course, that depends on the tools at one's disposal. I recall Physics teachers explaining that Electrons,Neutrons and Protons were called "sub-atomic" part-icles because t

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

IF I join fragments (either literally, or through transclusion) how do I recognize its a shift towards whole? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tid

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An issue in fragment handing is TERMINOLOGY. *When does a part stop being a fragment?* IF I split a fragment its still a fragment. Even though we have two parts, THE SPLIT & THE SPLITEE. TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To un

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bimlas wrote: > > > https://sociologica.unibo.it/article/view/8350/8270 > That article is good. Very good for social scientists. One thing in it that is well explained is how Luhmann, years before other sociologists, abandoned hierarchy based categories in favour of "surprising linked networks

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Bimlas & PMario Both articles are very good. They overlap a bit. But they also differ in perspective quite a lot. IMO *they complement each other really well*. IF the German text were available in English along with access to the Sociologica article, between the two it would provide a rounded

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

PMario, As far as I can tell from a glance, this translation is similar to it. Or is it not quite the same? https://sociologica.unibo.it/article/view/8350/8270 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and s

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On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 8:41:14 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote: .. > I think, we should try to post a translated version of the article. ... > BUT I don't know, if we would have a licensing problem. Will check it. > OK it seems to be CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. ... So no real problem. I'll have a closer look.

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:39:29 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote: I think the real problem that makes me unable to marry TiddlyWiki and > Zettelkasten is that I still don’t quite understand how the latter works. > It takes time for me to understand the theoretical knowledge I read about > it through

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bimlas wrote: > > PMario, > > >> Hi, .. I think the Zettelkasten system doesn't need or use tags. ... >> Tagging is a completely different concept, that wasn't used by Luhmann. ... >> > > Because of the implementation of Schlagwortregisterzettel (which I > previously known as index zettel), I

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Ciao Bimlas A few comments you do NOT need to reply to. I'm mainly commenting on mental processes prior to software tools. I think it's interesting, but not particularly helpful to you, now. bimlas wrote (slightly edited): > > me .. > > 467-1a INSOMNIA (sleep disorder) >> 732-2c INSOMNIA , 19

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Ha! Of course! That is elegant. And an "elusive obvious" found. Best, TT On Monday, 25 May 2020 09:14:53 UTC+2, bimlas wrote: > > Ok, it works, I just forgot to change "caption" to "title": > > \define dtid-link(created) <$link to={{{ [created<__created__>] }}}><$view > tiddler={{{ [created<__cr

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Bimlas, Nice simple method. I considered this at one point and did not proceeded with it for a few reasons that I recall. - I did not know how to guarantee uniqueness, especially for imported tiddlers - Cloning tiddlers can defeat this with duplicates - I noticed many system tiddler

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​Birthe C wrote (layout changed by me): > ​... ​all the great work done by Alberto Molina​ ... *​**he had to start > over several times*. > Tags, type-field, other fields among other things. > And how to put titles together. > It changed from the beginning to the last incarnation, I believe it

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Ok, it works, I just forgot to change "caption" to "title": \define dtid-link(created) <$link to={{{ [created<__created__>] }}}><$view tiddler={{{ [created<__created__>] }}} field="title"/> This <> link is created based on `created` field. Try to rename the target tiddler! Try it on TW.com! -

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I just realized that the "created" field can be used as a DTID and we can easily create links by a simple macro: <$link to={{{ [created[20181122141438931]] }}}><$view tiddler={{{ [created[20181122141438931]] }}} field="caption"/> PS.: Because of the syntax, I simply can't convert it to a macro

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bimlas wrote: > > I think the real problem that makes me unable to marry TiddlyWiki and > Zettelkasten is that I still don’t quite understand how the latter works. > It takes time for me to understand the theoretical knowledge I read about > it through practice. > One of the reasons Luhmann can

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Bimlas, Even if a note has a name, in fact it will never be completely clear > because its context determines what effect its content achieves. For > example, if a note is titled "String," it says virtually nothing, because > it could be related to programming as well as music. The context is

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

PMario, > Hi, .. I think the Zettelkasten system doesn't need or use tags. ... > Tagging is a completely different concept, that wasn't used by Luhmann. ... > Because of the implementation of Schlagwortregisterzettel (which I previously known as index zettel), I was thinking of using tags.

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Josiah, I write these answers without reading the linked articles (I don’t have much time and writing the answers is quite time consuming with Google Translator). > 467-1a INSOMNIA (sleep disorder) > 732-2c INSOMNIA , 1976 (film) > 1034-1a INSOMNIA, 1982 (film) > > > The point is this example

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On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 3:55:22 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote: The second link TT posted > has a very > interesting picture at Chapter 3.1 "Umfang und Inhalt" (Scope and Content) > Link added. sry. -- You received this message because you

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On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 11:40:45 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote: ... > I started working on a TiddlyWiki Zettelkasten edition, but it’s pretty > hard because in Tiddly it’s hard to handle tiddlers named with a Unified > Identifier (for example, the tag popup list becomes unusable). > Hi, .. I thi

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I know this is not zettelkasten, but it is collection of knowledge. I remember all the great work done by Alberto Molina. It is hard to believe that many years have passed since then. But he had to start over several times. Tags, type-field, other fields among other things. And how to put title

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

TonyM wrote: > > > Tiddlers are already unique, but they need not be unique over time, if > renamed. > Re the specific examples I gave are *Luhmann naming*. 467-1a INSOMNIA (sleep disorder) > 732-2c IMSOMNIA , 1976 (film) > 1034-1a INSOMNIA, 1982 (film) They are *set once forever*. Never rena

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TT, Tiddlers are already unique, but they need not be unique over time, if renamed. The relink plugin solves this for many but not all use cases. That's why I believe using a seperate field to store a serialy issued unique number, issued if that field is empty on the first save, is best way to

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> > > But think your point in using the TITLE field as a unique identifier is > right, as that is what it IS, built in. > Using the title also has the advantage of uniqueness being guaranteed and quick lookups (in terms of performance) via filters, which is important when working with larger

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

springer Excellent example of practically what occurs. This kind of material account of actual usage is invaluable imo. Its just as important as technical understanding of how to do it. Best wishes TT On Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:50:30 UTC+2, springer wrote: > > On fragments/chunks/tiddlers phil

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bimlas wrote: > > I started working on a TiddlyWiki Zettelkasten edition, but it’s pretty > hard because in Tiddly it’s hard to handle tiddlers named with a Unified > Identifier (for example, the tag popup list becomes unusable). Is there any > example TW from which ideas could be gained? > Goo

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bimlas wrote: > > Unfortunately, a lot of things are still obscure about Zettelkasten, but > I’m very interested in the topic because basically it can be applied > regardless of device: any note-taking app, wiki, even an issue tracker, and > of course it works on paper. > Right. Especially if y

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Bimlas, Do you mean when you say "Unified Identifier" are you talking about a unique ID? I found an algorithm and way to implement in tiddlywiki so any tiddler can be referenced by its Unique ID regardless of its title. Just ask if that is what you are looking for. Regards Tony On Sunday, Ma

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Unfortunately, a lot of things are still obscure about Zettelkasten, but I’m very interested in the topic because basically it can be applied regardless of device: any note-taking app, wiki, even an issue tracker, and of course it works on paper. I started working on a TiddlyWiki Zettelkasten e

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Folks, Give splitregexp[\n] try below code fragment on tiddlywiki.com to see how lines can be read as fragments. <$list filter="HelloThere"> <$list filter="[all[current]get[text]splitregexp[\n]]" variable=abstract> <$link to=<> ><$text text=<>/> Using the recent xml tools adds ev

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On fragments/chunks/tiddlers philosophy, I entirely endorse Tony's point that one has to think dynamically about this. As a project develops, not only one's familiarity with the subject but also the actual work being done may shift scope. Let me also just point out, for this discussion, that s

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

Hay, I am all for chunking, but we must realise moving a chunk is important, rather than copying it, Chunks need to keep their name, if we do make copies, or we can loose data with duplicates. Another point is combining chunks can remain virtual with chunks remaining themself. We could find a w

[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

> TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> Is "FRAGMENT" scope ONLY intuitively known, rather than formally >> definable? If so then ...? >> > Mat responded ... > ...then the important thing is that we have a system that allows the data > to change along with the changes of our feeble minds. To merg

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TT Your welcome, I appreciate yout raising conceptual and philosophical issues about tiddlywiki. Thanks Tony On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 11:19:16 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao TonyM ... >> >> >> How do I decide? For me its based on decades of experience in IT with a >> conceptual

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Ciao TonyM ... > > > How do I decide? For me its based on decades of experience in IT with a > conceptual approach to understanding and negotiating my way through > complexity. > > Although I actively try and find ways to make my implicit knowledge > explicit. > Very good note. I picked out tw

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Ciao bimlas, I am aware you think about these kinds of issues too. What is information? How can I divide and organize it? You may find this post I made on Zettelkasten interesting https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/pCcWB2zVD40/3YILA5jsBQAJ. Zettelkasten was originally a MANUAL system.

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TT How do I decide? For me its based on decades of experience in IT with a conceptual approach to understanding and negotiating my way through complexity. Although I actively try and find ways to make my implicit knowledge explicit. It is difficult to communicate with people of many different

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Similar thread: https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/comment/5842#Comment_5842 PS.: The Zettelkasten community is as philosophical as TiddlyWiki, maybe we could learn something from each other. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group

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TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Is "FRAGMENT" scope ONLY intuitively known, rather than formally > definable? If so then ...? > ...then the important thing is that we have a system that allows the data to change along with the changes of our feeble minds. To merge or split the fragments as we se

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Mat wrote: > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/s9Y_w85282I/ZsIToC88AAAJ > this ... *(me) HOW small is a good fragment? And how would you know?* >>> >>> > (mat) I can answer this... in a more general way but also with an exact > answer: > A tiddler, i.e the smallest semantically mean

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My thoughts: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/s9Y_w85282I/ZsIToC88AAAJ <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@goog

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Tx TonyM Right. Tiddlers ARE the fragments. But the OP is not about that per se. It is about WHAT the size and scope of a "fragment / Tiddler is". HOW do you decide that? And in what ways does it relate to PURPOSE? TT On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:02:52 UTC+2, TonyM wrote: > > TT is this frag