Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Chuck Harris
Magnus Danielson wrote: > From: "Robert Lutwak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates > Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:04:49 -0400 > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I suspect you're just measuring the bandwidth of your 400 MHz oscilloscope. > > He is close

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Hal Murray
> I am sitting here and thinking "Hey, isn't those 3 x 50 Ohm sources in > parallel a impedance missmatch?". If you have a sufficiently long > system (> 1/12 of the risetime in cable-length which in this case > would mean maybe 50 cm or so) we must consider it as an impedance > system and thus we

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: "Robert Lutwak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I suspect you're just measuring the bandwidth of your 400 MHz oscilloscope. He is close... tau of 1.1 ns should be expected fr

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A - How to convert the 1PPS & 10MHz Differential Pseudo ECL Output?

2006-04-09 Thread Hal Murray
> I didn't convert the PECL signals, but instead went inside the unit > andtapped off the 1pps and 10MHz signals. I have details at > http://www.febo.com/time-freq/gps/z3801a/mods/index.html You don't need to install the jumpers. If you look around, there are unused 0R slots near the ones you

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A - How to convert the 1PPS & 10MHz Differential Pseudo ECL Output?

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I didn't convert the PECL signals, but instead went inside the unit and tapped off the 1pps and 10MHz signals. I have details at http://www.febo.com/time-freq/gps/z3801a/mods/index.html John Don Mimlitch said the following on 04/09/2006 08:41 PM: > I have a HP Z3801A which outputs the 1 PPS

[time-nuts] HP Z3801A - How to convert the 1PPS & 10MHz Differential Pseudo ECL Output?

2006-04-09 Thread Don Mimlitch
I have a HP Z3801A which outputs the 1 PPS and 10MHz as Differential Pseudo ECL. What is this? How do I access these signals? How do I convert them to TTL or CMOS Levels. Are there any IC's (DIP Package) to do the conversion? For short cable runs (2 or 3 Ft.) is there a simple circuit fo

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Javier
Robert Lutwak wrote: >I suspect you're just measuring the bandwidth of your 400 MHz oscilloscope. > > > Usually the expected rise time for a 400MHz oscilloscope would be 0.35/bandwidth = 0.875ns, so although the scope bandwidth is limiting the measuremens, seems that the 74ACT04 is a bit slowe

Re: [time-nuts] D-Links NTP server vandalism

2006-04-09 Thread Neon John
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Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 04/09/2006 04:07 PM: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: > > >>For what it's worth, the risetime of the MAX232 output is about 2.5us, >>in a very smooth ramp -- it's spec'd at 4 v/us. I have heard that the >>risetime is deliberate

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Robert Lutwak said the following on 04/09/2006 04:04 PM: > I suspect you're just measuring the bandwidth of your 400 MHz oscilloscope. > > > -RL That could well be, though since 74AC is supposed to have a slew rate of 2v/ns, I'm measuring not too far from what you'd expect -- and the main goal w

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >For what it's worth, the risetime of the MAX232 output is about 2.5us, >in a very smooth ramp -- it's spec'd at 4 v/us. I have heard that the >risetime is deliberately slow to match the RS-232 spec; I don't know >whether that's true. T

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Robert Lutwak
I suspect you're just measuring the bandwidth of your 400 MHz oscilloscope. -RL Please note that I am now automatically deleting all Email originating from "comcast.net" due to the large amount of spam originating from their servers. Please register your complaints with ComCast, since they ha

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I screwed up the measurements in the message I just sent. With the room (and the trace) dimmed for photography, I messed up getting the trace properly aligned for risetime measurements. I didn't notice until too late. There won't be a major difference in the results, but I'll remeasure (and reph

Re: [time-nuts] D-Links NTP server vandalism

2006-04-09 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 04/09/2006 02:07 AM: > No, I don't think so. But I've since found out that the abuse > pretty much all stratum 1 servers, including several .edu, .gov > and .mil servers. > > Now they probably regret they didn't just pay off my claim from the > start. I'm

Re: [time-nuts] tracor 308a?

2006-04-09 Thread Masamichi Tsuchiya
Hi Christopher, I have a copy of Op & Sev manual PN 19179D Jun.1975 that includes schematics, unfotunately I don't have PDF format. Best regards, M. Tsuchiya JA2GXU - Original Message - From: "Christopher Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 5:47 AM Subjec

Re: [time-nuts] Regarding Tracor 599K

2006-04-09 Thread Masamichi Tsuchiya
Hi Allan, I have a original Op & Sev manual PN 14164D Sep.1976 and have PDF 29.5Mb but unfortunately I don't use ADSL depend on EMI problem. M. Tsuchiya JA2GXU - Original Message - From: "Allan W. Bart, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measureme