[time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-21 Thread ji1qgk
Hi. I'm looking for manual of Brandywine GPS-4 (model:0010-0040). Does anyone know where to obtain it? Thanks Hiro ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-21 Thread Angus
The VP is still distinctly worse until tau 1000sec. The plots are not conclusive evidence that correcting for the sawtooth error isn't advisable. What about hanging bridges and similar artifacts? Bruce It would be interresting to see exactly how much the sawtooth on an M12 affects actual

Re: [time-nuts] How good are mechanical watches

2007-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 04/21/2007 01:14 AM: See ADEV of a Hamilton M21 Ship's Chronometer: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/m21/ I'm curious -- how did you pull the data? My first guess would be a microphone to pick up the ticks, followed by a little dsp... John

Re: [time-nuts] How good are mechanical watches

2007-04-21 Thread Maggie Leber
On 4/21/07, John Pettitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still love it and occasionally use the circular slide rules to the amazement of anybody under 45 (my class in the UK was the last high school class to use slide rules and I had to use a circular one for my pilots license). I used an E-6B

Re: [time-nuts] How good are mechanical watches

2007-04-21 Thread Chuck Harris
John Pettitt wrote: Thomas A. Frank wrote: My Brietling Navitimer is good for about a second a day when it's clean - it degrades over time (about 5 years) to about 20 seconds a day then I pay $$$ to have it cleaned and lubed and it's back at at a second a day for a couple of years before

Re: [time-nuts] How good are mechanical watches

2007-04-21 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:37:10 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how I measured the performance of a WWVB radio controlled watch: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/Junghans/ This is a great example of sawtooth that you probably haven't seen before. Hey, that's a nice looking

[time-nuts] Advice on using a surplus LPRO-101 oscillator

2007-04-21 Thread michael taylor
I recently acquired a surplus Datum/Efratom LPRO-101 Rubidium oscillator, found a PDF manual from Datum and was wondering if anyone had any advice or warning on using these oscillators. I was planning on building a GPS disciplined oscillator using the LPRO and the 1 PPS out initally from a

[time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Bruce Lane
Fellow time-clockers, I have an interesting (if a bit annoying) situation. I would like to use one of my existing GPS standards to improve stability on one of my HF transceivers. The problem is that said transceiver, for reasons unknown to me, uses a 32MHz reference oscillator.

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Bruce Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz? Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:26:23 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fellow time-clockers, I have an interesting (if a bit annoying) situation. I would like to use one of my existing GPS standards to improve

[time-nuts] What does AMU mean?

2007-04-21 Thread Steve
The display window of the Thunderbolt monitor software, Tboltmon.exe, has a section labeled Signal Levels. There are two column in that section. The left column is SV, which I understand to be an abbreviation for Space Vehicle. The other column is labeled AMU. What does AMU mean? Thanks.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-21 Thread Hal Murray
There are plenty of times when sawtooth removal would be of use/ interest, but in a typical GPSDO which has a heap of other errors, I do wonder what improvements in performance would actually be seen in the output from the oscillator - which is all that a lot of people are really interrested

Re: [time-nuts] What does AMU mean?

2007-04-21 Thread Tom Van Baak
The display window of the Thunderbolt monitor software, Tboltmon.exe, has a section labeled Signal Levels. There are two column in that section. The left column is SV, which I understand to be an abbreviation for Space Vehicle. The other column is labeled AMU. What does AMU mean?

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You might look at using a Reflock II (http://www.tapr.org/kits_reflock_ii) to discipline a 32MHz VCXO from your 10MHz. Unfortunately, the Clock-Block phase noise is nowhere near good enough to use for an RF application, so that's not an option. :-( 73, John Bruce Lane said the following on

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Didier Juges
Bruce, Buy an HP 3586 on eBay (I paid $90 for my HP 3586A with OCXO), lock its reference to the GPSDO, set it to 32 MHz and use the LO output. All you need is a sturdy shelf (!!!) and a couple of cables. No soldering iron required, no PIC programming or anything else :-) Maybe not the most

[time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-21 Thread Jason Rabel
Hiro Nakamura? (Just kidding, that name is from a character on the TV show Heroes here in the US.) Anyhow, you can get a copy of the GPS4 manual here (GPS4-Manual_v2.2.pdf): http://www.rabel.org/archives/Brandywine_GPS/ The Brandywine people don't seem to always respond to emails. What

Re: [time-nuts] Advice on using a surplus LPRO-101 oscillator

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
michael taylor wrote: I recently acquired a surplus Datum/Efratom LPRO-101 Rubidium oscillator, found a PDF manual from Datum and was wondering if anyone had any advice or warning on using these oscillators. I was planning on building a GPS disciplined oscillator using the LPRO and the 1 PPS

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: Is there any data on how the Reflock II does as the basis of a GPSDO compared to other ones? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com John Ackermann N8UR wrote: You might look at

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: There are plenty of times when sawtooth removal would be of use/ interest, but in a typical GPSDO which has a heap of other errors, I do wonder what improvements in performance would actually be seen in the output from the oscillator - which is all that a lot of people are

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There is a firmware image for the Reflock II that will lock a 10 MHz (or other relatively-low-frequency) oscillator to PPS. The last time I looked at it, it worked OK but not up to a real GPSDO -- which makes sense since it's a pretty basic PLL. Luis Cupido has updated the PPS code since then,

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: There is a firmware image for the Reflock II that will lock a 10 MHz (or other relatively-low-frequency) oscillator to PPS. The last time I looked at it, it worked OK but not up to a real GPSDO -- which makes sense since it's a pretty basic PLL. Luis Cupido has

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dr Bruce Griffiths said the following on 04/21/2007 06:59 PM: multiple of the PPS frequency. Thus while the REFLOCK II is better than nothing its performance will fall far below a well designed real GPSDO in this application. It will work much better for locking to higher frequencies where

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread John Miles
One solution: double the 10 MHz twice to get 40 MHz, divide by 5 with any handy 74HC or 74F counter to get 8 MHz, and mix that with the 40 MHz signal to get 32 MHz and 48 MHz. Basic LC filtering should be adequate in the 10-40 MHz multiplier and the 32 MHz output sections. Another solution:

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

2007-04-21 Thread Jack Hudler
Just please tell me they're not serrated, know how to use a steel, and you keep them holder or leather pouch. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rasputin Novgorod Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:19 AM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
John Miles wrote: One solution: double the 10 MHz twice to get 40 MHz, divide by 5 with any handy 74HC or 74F counter to get 8 MHz, and mix that with the 40 MHz signal to get 32 MHz and 48 MHz. Basic LC filtering should be adequate in the 10-40 MHz multiplier and the 32 MHz output sections.

[time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

2007-04-21 Thread Maggie Leber
On 4/21/07, Jack Hudler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just please tell me they're not serrated, know how to use a steel, and you keep them holder or leather pouch. My lifepartner Gwennie NG3P was gifted by her mother with a knife set. They're not serrated, but you don't use a steel on them. They're

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Neville Michie
Hi All, another method that avoids PLL and other sources of phase noise is to divide down to 2MHz, get a square wave signal, low pass it to make a rough sine wave, feed it into a full wave rectifier, (pair of diodes) and the fundamental is eliminated and only even harmonics are left.

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Neville Michie wrote: Hi All, another method that avoids PLL and other sources of phase noise is to divide down to 2MHz, get a square wave signal, low pass it to make a rough sine wave, feed it into a full wave rectifier, (pair of diodes) and the fundamental is eliminated and

Re: [time-nuts] Odd request

2007-04-21 Thread jmfranke
As I type this, my solenoid actuated mechanical slave clock is being driven by my GPS receiver. The 1PPS signal drives a two stage divide-by-sixty counter. The two counter stages, 7490 divide by ten and 7492 divide by twelve used as a divide by six, are interfaced to two large Nixie tubes to

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Christopher Hoover
Brooke Clarke wrote: Is there any data on how the Reflock II does as the basis of a GPSDO compared to other ones? Which other ones? It is lousy compared to a real GPSDO (e.g. Z3801a). But that's not its sweet spot, really. It is perfectly fine hardware for locking a VCO to an HF reference,

Re: [time-nuts] Odd request

2007-04-21 Thread Tom Van Baak
As I type this, my solenoid actuated mechanical slave clock is being driven by my GPS receiver. The 1PPS signal drives a two stage divide-by-sixty counter. The two counter stages, 7490 divide by ten and 7492 divide by twelve used as a divide by six, are interfaced to two large Nixie tubes

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-21 Thread Tom Van Baak
One has to be careful not to misuse such statistics to mask the shortcomings of a poorly designed GPSDO. Bruce, I'm getting the idea you don't like _any_ of the hobbyists GPSDO's that have come out in the last ten years... So I'm curious what then would qualify as a well designed GPSDO in

Re: [time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-21 Thread Didier Juges
check http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/4_GPS_Stuff/GPS4-Manual_v2.2-1.pdf Didier KO4BB Hi. I'm looking for manual of Brandywine GPS-4 (model:0010-0040). Does anyone know where to obtain it? Thanks Hiro ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Tom Van Baak wrote: Bruce, I'm getting the idea you don't like _any_ of the hobbyists GPSDO's that have come out in the last ten years... So I'm curious what then would qualify as a well designed GPSDO in your opinion? (and please don't bring up the Quartzlock thing; it's a hundred times

Re: [time-nuts] Odd request

2007-04-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: I've been looking at patents for secondary clocks and find that there's two class numbers: 368/59 is Horology/Secondary and 968/548 is Horology/stepping secondary. Do you know what the difference is between the two top class numbers both called Horology? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Christopher Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV? Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:06:59 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce wrote: 6) Doesn't rely on the relative phase of an independent oscillator being random with respect to the PPS signal or the OCXO

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Knifephoolery

2007-04-21 Thread Rasputin Novgorod
Hmm. ...and I just bought a set of three Chef's knives for my kitchen for $500. /b --- Jack Hudler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just please tell me they're not serrated, know how to use a steel, and you keep them holder or leather pouch. Hi Jack: I love cooking, as a hobby (and surprisingly,

[time-nuts] [Fwd: Efratom MRT.....Help me !]

2007-04-21 Thread Bill Janssen
Any one want to help this person? Bill K7NOM ---BeginMessage--- I have a frequency standard Efratom type MRT, and I am looking for the Service manual . Help me ! Thanks mauri ---End Message--- ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

[time-nuts] [Fwd: Efratom MRT.....Help me !]

2007-04-21 Thread Maggie Leber
http://bama.sbc.edu/efratom.htm is the first hit on Google. It points to ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/efratom/frk/Efratom_FRK.pdf On 4/21/07, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one want to help this person? From: mauri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:56:42 GMT

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Knifephoolery

2007-04-21 Thread Neon John
I love this list! What we find to talk about. Until about this time last year when I closed the last one, for 11 years I owned and operated a pair of BBQ steak restaurants and a catering service. For much of that time I was the chief cook and bottle washer :-) Believe it or not I like to cook

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Knifephoolery

2007-04-21 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Rasputin Novgorod wrote: Hmm. ...and I just bought a set of three Chef's knives for my kitchen for $500. /b --- Jack Hudler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just please tell me they're not serrated, know how to use a steel, and you keep them holder or leather pouch. Hi Jack: