Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > IIRC, the 3586 wants a sine wave reference, and gets fairly unhappy if > it doesn't see one. > > Of course, another option is to stick a low pass filter following the 10 > MHz square wave; knock off the odd harmonics, and you'll have a sine > wave again. > > John > > >

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The best phase noise and phase shift stability will be achieved by not using a bandpass filter to extract the 10MHz signal, but by using a low pass filter with low phase shift at 10MHz to eliminate the higher harmonics, supplemented with high Q series tuned traps at the fundamental (5MHz) and 5th h

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
James R. Gorr said the following on 01/19/2008 07:41 PM: > What I am trying to accomplish is provide a reference > for my HP 3586C. I want to try my hand at the FMT in > February. > > I have a set of the Lucent RFTG-m-XO and RFTG-m-RB. > > My options are use the RB as stand alone or use the XO >

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: >> Dividing by 3 and then multiplying by 2 is not necessary, it just adds >> complexity and noise. >> >> Just use a pair of JK flipflops (no external gates required to divide by >> 3 unlike when using D flipflops) configured to divide by 3 and extract >> the 10MHz component i

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
> Dividing by 3 and then multiplying by 2 is not necessary, it just adds > complexity and noise. > > Just use a pair of JK flipflops (no external gates required to divide by > 3 unlike when using D flipflops) configured to divide by 3 and extract > the 10MHz component in the divider output. > For

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
James R. Gorr wrote: > What I am trying to accomplish is provide a reference > for my HP 3586C. I want to try my hand at the FMT in > February. > > I have a set of the Lucent RFTG-m-XO and RFTG-m-RB. > > My options are use the RB as stand alone or use the XO > with the GPS, or combine the two. (I

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread James R. Gorr
What I am trying to accomplish is provide a reference for my HP 3586C. I want to try my hand at the FMT in February. I have a set of the Lucent RFTG-m-XO and RFTG-m-RB. My options are use the RB as stand alone or use the XO with the GPS, or combine the two. (I believe I have the "matched set"

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bruce Griffiths said the following on 01/19/2008 05:20 PM: > James R. Gorr wrote: >> I always assumed frequency references should be sine >> waves. If that is not the case, I guess I can use >> this for a reference for other equipment? And if a >> square wave is just fine, could I use a clock-blo

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
James R. Gorr wrote: > I always assumed frequency references should be sine > waves. If that is not the case, I guess I can use > this for a reference for other equipment? And if a > square wave is just fine, could I use a clock-block to > divide the 15 MHz of the XO down to 10 MHz? If you ever

Re: [time-nuts] New Question on HP3048A Phase Noise Test Set

2008-01-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
When the input to the phase detector consists of the OCXO signal plus another frequency offset from the first i.e. Vi(t) = A1*cos( w1*t) + A2*cos(w2*t) Where w1 = 2*PI*(OCXO frequency) the observed signal at the output of the phase detector is: Vo(t) = Vi(t)*sin(w1*t) Vo(t) = A1*cos(w1*t)*sin(w

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Hal Murray
> If not, what other alternatives are there to get 10 MHz out the the 15 > MHz? There is a 10 MHz sine wave coming out of the LPRO inside. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-n

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread James R. Gorr
My scope was set for 2 volts / div, terminated right in to the scope. Arguably not the best way to view it... Here is another photo, terminated with 50 Ohms and amplitude set at 1 volt per division. I guess it looks a lot cleaner. Not sure what the impedance is supposed to be. I always assume

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
James, Not played with one of these units, but looks like a very useable 10 MHz square wave. What impedance are you terminating with? What is the amplitude scale on the 'scope? Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James R. Gorr

[time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-19 Thread James R. Gorr
Attached is a photo of the output of my RFTG-m-RB J2 (10 MHz REF OUT). Is this the expected shape? J4 (15 MHz OUT) is a nice clean sine wave. Can I safely use this 10 MHz signal as a reference for other gear that takes a 10 MHz input? Thanks in advance! Jamie

Re: [time-nuts] 19 & 20 Jan UTC HAARP-LWA Moon Bounce Schedule

2008-01-19 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Hi Brooke, The transmitter coordinates are 62 deg 23.5 min North Latitude 145 deg 8.8 min West Longitude or 8 mi north of Gakona, Alaska in case you were interested. Richard > Hi: > > This is not a frequency measuring test. > I wonder if there would be doppler on the return signal. > The tran