Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > > Bruce > Some references I found. > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HPJ/is_n1_v40/ai_7113244/pg_5 > Good article, but the HP5371 only has 200ps resolution this is inadequate. > http://iram.cs.berkeley.edu/serialio/cs254/interpolator/interp.html > Somewhat i

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Bruce > This counter may be close : http://www.psplc.com/datasheets/vigo/VOITC-200.pdf > or http://ztc.wel.wat.edu.pl/kalisz/T-2300R.pdf > Stanley > > > Stanley Much better but still inadequate for characterising good oscillators, at least for short averaging times.

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Power Supply

2008-05-22 Thread Eric Haskell
I have what appears to be the same module pictured for the group buy but from another US source who was selling on the Agilent group. The Trimble data sheet he provided said it is Trimble PN 41562-30 and requires +12, -7 and +5Vdc. He had -7 to -8 hand written aroumd the the printed -7. The group

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
- Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:01:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Stanley Reynolds wrote: >  >> Disabling all th

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
- Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:01:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Stanley Reynolds wrote: >  >> Disabling all th

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
I bought a couple of HP 59307A switches on eBay for $5 each plus reasonable shipping. They can be found regularly. I was offered an HP 5334B for parts that was missing the cover and front panel (including display and switches, resulting from an emergency landing with the gear up, or something l

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Stanley Reynolds wrote: > >> Disabling all the GPS receivers at the same time would allow a comparison of >> the hold over of each. As we are also logging the temp and power some >> changes in these would also help determine how "good" each DO is as far as >> stabili

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanley Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:37 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy > > > >  I have several HP

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
- Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:33:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Disabling all the GPS receivers at the same time

Re: [time-nuts] Rb Tube Life Estimate

2008-05-22 Thread Brian Kirby
The monitor test points will not help you, except to let you know its operating correctly. I had an FRK-L that the lamp failed. I ran fine for 12 years (and it had more years on it, bought surplus). It was working fine and one day, I noticed it was not locked. I kept monthly logs and the dat

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Didier Juges
I started doing that some time ago using my Wiki, but got distracted. Anyone can contribute, you are certainly welcome to: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.cgi Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Atkinson > S

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Bruce > > > Getting back to the idea that the DO controller needs to measure the > oscillator to make corrections, would your suggestions make a better DO > controller if used in this measurement ? Or maybe instead of just measuring > the difference between a group o

[time-nuts] Rb Tube Life Estimate

2008-05-22 Thread Richard W. Solomon
I picked up an EFRATOM FRK over on the "dark side" and was wondering if there is any way to determine or estimate the life remaining on it. Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/c

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
- Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:09:32 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy Stanley Reynolds wrote: > The prams for sample size could also be set in t

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Disabling all the GPS receivers at the same time would allow a comparison of > the hold over of each. As we are also logging the temp and power some changes > in these would also help determine how "good" each DO is as far as stability. > Stanley > > You still need a

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Disabling all the GPS receivers at the same time would allow a comparison of the hold over of each. As we are also logging the temp and power some changes in these would also help determine how "good" each DO is as far as stability. Stanley __

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > The prams for sample size could also be set in the sampling PICs you would > probably want to set them all the same. > A much better scheme is to time stamp the leading edges of the various PPS signals (from the GPS receiver and the divided down output of each GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Stanley Reynolds wrote: > >> Block diagram of using a modified version of the DO controllers to compare >> several disciplined oscillators. The single logging PC could be several PCs >> as a way to have enough serial ports. >> http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn30

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
The prams for sample size could also be set in the sampling PICs you would probably want to set them all the same. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts a

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
- Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:26:43 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Block diagram of using a modified version of the

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Reduced VE2ZAZ controller to be used as a counter. > > http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/stanleyreynolds/VE2ZAZreduced.jpg > > Resolution is still inadequate for meaningful comparisons with short averaging times. For longer averaging times all GPSDOs will

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Reduced VE2ZAZ controller to be used as a counter.   http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/stanleyreynolds/VE2ZAZreduced.jpg ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stanley Reynolds wrote: > Block diagram of using a modified version of the DO controllers to compare > several disciplined oscillators. The single logging PC could be several PCs > as a way to have enough serial ports. > http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/stanleyreynolds/planB.jpg > Th

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Block diagram of using a modified version of the DO controllers to compare several disciplined oscillators. The single logging PC could be several PCs as a way to have enough serial ports.   http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/stanleyreynolds/planB.jpg _

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
I have the same project on my list. In a general sense my idea is to log as much as possible at the same time. Room temp, power, and any logs from the discipline oscillators. For the first cut a counter for each oscillator with a common time base using a IEEE-488 interface bus, also known as th

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi all I think we need a reference / FAQ for this type of question that comes up so often. Another group I subscribe to (Geiger Counter Enthusiasts) has a sub group were they just have the best replies to the FAQ's Regards, Robert G8RPI. --- On Wed, 2

Re: [time-nuts] Low frequency crystal

2008-05-22 Thread Bernd T-Online
Robert Atkinson wrote: > What's the lowest frequency crystal made? Anyone have any suggestions > for an oscillator circuit? Hello Robert, you can find a suitable circuit in my 1979 publication in the VHF Communication magazine "Design of crystal oscillator circuits". A free download of th