Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt performance vs temperature sensor

2009-03-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
See: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt-temp/ Hi Mark, This is very interesting work that you're doing with Thunderbolt DS1620 temperature sensors. I hope you stick with it. I agree with Said about the double bind idea. I worry too that your TBolts are remembering something of the past in spi

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
10544A buffers 5370A: 1K + 10pF in series connected from 10544A output to input of an ECL line receiver cascade. 5345A: 1K + 910pF in series connected from 10544A output to input of CC CB long tailed pair isolation amplifier. 1K from CC base to ground. Since the 10544A phase noise floor is relat

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Ed Palmer
I've always found that the BAMA mirror site at [1]http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/ is much faster than the main site. Ed Bruce Griffiths wrote: Scott Newell wrote: At 07:41 PM 3/7/2009, Tom Van Baak wrote: I know *late* model 5245L counters used the 10544A oscillator. Perhaps ot

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Scott Newell wrote: > At 07:41 PM 3/7/2009, Tom Van Baak wrote: > > >> I know *late* model 5245L counters used the 10544A oscillator. >> Perhaps others in the group can provide other examples and >> then you can head off to the online manual sites and grab the >> info you need from the PDF files

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Scott Newell wrote: > At 07:41 PM 3/7/2009, Tom Van Baak wrote: > > >> I know *late* model 5245L counters used the 10544A oscillator. >> Perhaps others in the group can provide other examples and >> then you can head off to the online manual sites and grab the >> info you need from the PDF files

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Newell
At 07:41 PM 3/7/2009, Tom Van Baak wrote: >I know *late* model 5245L counters used the 10544A oscillator. >Perhaps others in the group can provide other examples and >then you can head off to the online manual sites and grab the >info you need from the PDF files. My 5345A has a 10544A. -- newel

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Van Baak wrote: >> I have been able to find schematics of the 10544A but not a service manual. >> Is there a service manual available? >> > > http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/10544/ > > I'll look for something like a service manual. I know I have some > interesting info in the 10544. When

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Van Baak wrote: >> I have been able to find schematics of the 10544A but not a service manual. >> Is there a service manual available? >> > > http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/10544/ > > I'll look for something like a service manual. I know I have some > interesting info in the 10544. When

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
>I have been able to find schematics of the 10544A but not a service manual. > Is there a service manual available? http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/10544/ I'll look for something like a service manual. I know I have some interesting info in the 10544. When I find it I'll update the page. One th

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: > > Its probably better to increase the emitter current to 40mA or > > so and place 47 ohms between the emitter and the output coupling > > capacitor a and accept the resultant +7dBm output. > > The transistor dissipation will increase and it may be better to > > substitut

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: > > Its probably better to increase the emitter current to 40mA or > > so and place 47 ohms between the emitter and the output coupling > > capacitor a and accept the resultant +7dBm output. > > The transistor dissipation will increase and it may be better to > > substitut

Re: [time-nuts] delete

2009-03-07 Thread James R. Gorr
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Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
> Its probably better to increase the emitter current to 40mA or > so and place 47 ohms between the emitter and the output coupling > capacitor a and accept the resultant +7dBm output. > The transistor dissipation will increase and it may be better to > substitute something like a 2N5943, 2N38

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: > I also doubt that there could be something wrong with emitter follower > so I also did some tests with "capacitive coupler" build on bottom PCB > of the HP10544: > http://www.amigazone.fi/files/gpsdo/544coupler.jpg > (1 kohm. terminaton is not visible on the picture) > > Ge

Re: [time-nuts] delete

2009-03-07 Thread Alan Melia
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Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: > I also doubt that there could be something wrong with emitter follower > so I also did some tests with "capacitive coupler" build on bottom PCB > of the HP10544: > http://www.amigazone.fi/files/gpsdo/544coupler.jpg > (1 kohm. terminaton is not visible on the picture) > > Ge

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: >> The capacitance of the 1x probe is too high. >> > > So I have to check that also: it shows 46 pF on 1x mode and 10.6 pF in > 10x mode. > > Ok so the main question is that what kind of amplifier I should use with > 10544A to get a clean signal, if it can't stand even a

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: >> Please provide a circuit schematic for your emitter follower buffer. >> Include transistor types and component values as well as power supply >> voltages. >> > > 10nF DC-blocks at input and output, 4k7 pullup and 10k pulldown at the > base, 180 ohms pulldown from the e

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
I also doubt that there could be something wrong with emitter follower so I also did some tests with "capacitive coupler" build on bottom PCB of the HP10544: http://www.amigazone.fi/files/gpsdo/544coupler.jpg (1 kohm. terminaton is not visible on the picture) Generally it's just a wire going ove

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
It was always intended for factory repair only so a service manual may not be readily available. The schematic is comprehensive enough that one hardly needs one. The tricky part is setting the oven temperature. There's probably a description in the relevant HP Journal (probably early 70's). Bruce

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
> Please provide a circuit schematic for your emitter follower buffer. > Include transistor types and component values as well as power supply > voltages. 10nF DC-blocks at input and output, 4k7 pullup and 10k pulldown at the base, 180 ohms pulldown from the emitter, 12V input voltage having some

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: >> New 10544A's have a somewhat cleaner output than that. >> Perhaps something is wrong with the emitter follower. >> > > Sorry I forgot to say that the oscilloscope picture was taken directly > from HP10544A output, without emitter follower but with 1:1 probe, > output

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread J. L. Trantham
I have been able to find schematics of the 10544A but not a service manual. Is there a service manual available? Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:24 PM To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
> The capacitance of the 1x probe is too high. So I have to check that also: it shows 46 pF on 1x mode and 10.6 pF in 10x mode. Ok so the main question is that what kind of amplifier I should use with 10544A to get a clean signal, if it can't stand even an oscilloscope without distortion on it

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Esa Heikkinen wrote: >> New 10544A's have a somewhat cleaner output than that. >> Perhaps something is wrong with the emitter follower. >> > > Sorry I forgot to say that the oscilloscope picture was taken directly > from HP10544A output, without emitter follower but with 1:1 probe, > output

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
> New 10544A's have a somewhat cleaner output than that. > Perhaps something is wrong with the emitter follower. Sorry I forgot to say that the oscilloscope picture was taken directly from HP10544A output, without emitter follower but with 1:1 probe, output terminated with 1 kohm. resistor. With

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
DO NOT use a 50 ohm termination as this may damage the output emitter follower. At the very least the waveform distortion will increase considerably. The output stage isn't designed to drive 50 ohm loads. Nor is it intended to drive large capacitances so use a 10x scope probe to keep the load capac

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread J. L. Trantham
I looked at your oscilloscope signal and it looks cleaner than mine but I looked at mine at a slower sweep and both 50-ohm termination and 1-Megohm termination. Can you look at it on the oscilloscope with 50-ohm and 1-Megohm termination and display several cycles? I suspect we are seeing the same

Re: [time-nuts] Multipath Testing

2009-03-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
Brooke Clarke skrev: > Hi: > > I would like to have a way of measuring the multipath effecting my house GPS > antenna both in terms of it's effect on position and on timing. Can this be > done using the M12+T? > To some degree you can do this. It is a bit tricky since you need to recall a fe

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
Hello.. > I tried to view the files on amigazone but was 'denied'. Yes there's many network bans and all thanks for this belongs to couple of spambots trying to scan the webserver at multiple IP's at same time. I just changed the IP bans based on IP address where you send your mail. You should

Re: [time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread J. L. Trantham
I tried to view the files on amigazone but was 'denied'. Any way to get a look? Am I doing something wrong? I tried with IE 7 and FireFox with no luck. I have several 10544A's and they all put out a 10 MHz signal but it is sort of a 'ramp like' wave as viewed on the oscilloscope that looks rich

[time-nuts] Multipath Testing

2009-03-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I would like to have a way of measuring the multipath effecting my house GPS antenna both in terms of it's effect on position and on timing. Can this be done using the M12+T? -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com ___ time-nuts maili

[time-nuts] About HP10544A

2009-03-07 Thread Esa Heikkinen
Hello! I got one of the 544's and plan to use it for rubidium cleaning loop (Efratom LPRO). But I cannot get a clean 10 MHz signal out from it! There are harmonics and spurious. I know that spurious come from oven swicther so those should be easily handled with separate oven supply. But the bi

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Re: [time-nuts] looking for data on Magellan 10 channel OEM GPS board circa 1994-1998

2009-03-07 Thread bg
Hi Eric, > I'm looking for data on what appears to be a magellan oem GPS reciever > which I removed from an older magellan aviation gps with moving map > display (unit was circa 1998). The gps module I removed has "Magellan > systems corp, Copyright 1994 10 channel OEM" silkscreened on the top >

[time-nuts] looking for data on Magellan 10 channel OEM GPS board circa 1994-1998

2009-03-07 Thread Eric Fort
I'm looking for data on what appears to be a magellan oem GPS reciever which I removed from an older magellan aviation gps with moving map display (unit was circa 1998). The gps module I removed has "Magellan systems corp, Copyright 1994 10 channel OEM" silkscreened on the top side and a sticker o