Re: [time-nuts] 5071A tube EEPROM and tube data

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Carlson
Corby wrote: "I'm not saying other tubes dont have glass but HP tubes DO NOT." On what authority? That statement is categorically incorrect. To set the record straight I worked for HP and Agilent since 1977 as a technician on the 5061 and later worked on the introduction of the 5071A with the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Hal Murray wrote: [variac] If you don't have one, you can wire a light bulb in series with the power cord. Use 40,60,100 watt - whatever you need. Neat. Thanks. That trick wasn't on my list. I think you can get lower wattage bulbs (at 120V). I think I've seen 25W, but I'm not su

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Bob Martinson
As a kid I had an outlet in series with a screw-in bulb, with a switch across it to get full voltage. Used it very often. 73, Bob, k1REM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 1

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, I use a Variac routinely to turn on instruments that have been unused for more than a few months. Electrolytic capacitors will often come good if slowly brought up to voltage. Recently I resurrected a WW2 "Command" receiver that had been stored for 40 years. I hooked up a power supply an

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Hal Murray
[variac] > If you don't have one, you can wire a light bulb in series with the > power cord. Use 40,60,100 watt - whatever you need. Neat. Thanks. That trick wasn't on my list. I think you can get lower wattage bulbs (at 120V). I think I've seen 25W, but I'm not sure. Old style tungsten ni

[time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Mark Sims
Probably 90% of power supply overload problems are shorted dipped tantalum caps. Start there... check the resistance across each supply. The other 90% are shorted pass transistors/base drivers and/or zener diodes. You mentioned that you have more than one of these units. Compare reading

Re: [time-nuts] General MEA CULPA

2009-09-09 Thread Dick Moore
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Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328A

2009-09-09 Thread Dick Moore
Hi, Brent and Doug -- my copy of the 5328 schematic shows a 0.47 ohm resistor in series with F1, a 2A fast-blo fuse. I would be sure that the current is flowing thru the fuse -- is it F1 on the P.S. board that's blowing?. As Brent said, using a Variac and then putting an AC ammeter across t

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Dave, I think we've all lost some hair while working on a stubborn problem. Hang in there. As mentioned by Brent Gordon, the Variac is your friend in situations like this. If you don't have one, you can wire a light bulb in series with the power cord. Use 40,60,100 watt - whatever you need. Th

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Dave M
I'm not familiar with this particular instrument, but a standard technique for linear power supplies is to hook it up to a variac. This lets you turn down the line voltage so you can do some measurements without smoking the system. Brent Douglas Wire - PUPCo Studios wrote: Good day everyone an

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy GPS position

2009-09-09 Thread lstoskopf
Farmers around here use GPS guided equipment to guide their farm equipment. It is possible to put fertilizer in one inch strips around the field and later go back and plant in the same strip. Some use a reference transponder to increase accuracy. Others seem to be able to use references on ne

[time-nuts] FreeBSD: ntpd PPS vs. kernel PPS

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Schmidt
So, I have been running a FreeBSD GPS disciplined NTP server for some time. While there is a lot of guidance out there about how to do-it-yourself with a Garmin LVC 18 and FreeBSD, I was unable to find any quantitative data about whether the PPS was best handled in the FreeBSD kernel or in the ntp

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 62, Issue 25

2009-09-09 Thread Mark Sims
I have a geodetic grade Ashtech Z12 GPS receiver and antenna. You collect data with it (both L1 and L2 carrier phase) and email the data to the National Geodetic Survey OPUS processing system. They crunch the numbers and come back with a location (it's free). The location is calculated by cr

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy? GPS position

2009-09-09 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 09/09/2009 22:25:22 GMT Daylight Time, dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: How do you KNOW your position to such accuracy? Is it in fact possible > to survey your position to that accuracy by any independent means? > > If, for example, you use official survey marks to deter

Re: [time-nuts] High accuracy? GPS position

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Ackrill
Murray Greenman wrote: Mark, How do you KNOW your position to such accuracy? Is it in fact possible to survey your position to that accuracy by any independent means? If, for example, you use official survey marks to determine your position by direct measurement, are the survey marks really that

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Neither the linear regulators nor the switching regulators in the 5328A have any explicit current limiting circuitry other than that provided by the pass transistor current gain and the limited current available from the pass element driver. The only protection against long term load faults is pro

[time-nuts] 5071A tube EEPROM and tube data

2009-09-09 Thread Corby Dawson
"The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to" Dave, Actually, YES. I dug up the oven I had opened up and it is as I remembered. The cesium ampoule is all metal and sits upside down in the center of the "wicking" screen. The center of the burst diaphragm is welded t

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Brent Gordon
I'm not familiar with this particular instrument, but a standard technique for linear power supplies is to hook it up to a variac. This lets you turn down the line voltage so you can do some measurements without smoking the system. Brent Douglas Wire - PUPCo Studios wrote: > Good day everyone and

[time-nuts] High accuracy? GPS position

2009-09-09 Thread Murray Greenman
Mark, How do you KNOW your position to such accuracy? Is it in fact possible to survey your position to that accuracy by any independent means? If, for example, you use official survey marks to determine your position by direct measurement, are the survey marks really that accurate? Murray

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Adrian
Douglas, there are lots of folks out there that are much more familiar with the 5328A, but here is what I think about it at a first glance. If F1 blows quickly, there is a serious overload / short situation. Don't try fixing by swapping fuses. If you can't measure a short (that would be the firs

[time-nuts] HP 5328 PSU nightmare... Or stupid engineer, you decide...

2009-09-09 Thread Douglas Wire - PUPCo Studios
Good day everyone and thank you all for hosting this wonderful community and allowing me to participate. I have several HP5328 with the “really- nice” newer 10811-x Oscillators in them. I have found while I have used the good old gold trace reliable HP instruments all of my life, these units ha

[time-nuts] GPS L1 chokering antenna

2009-09-09 Thread Mark Sims
I completed a 48 hour survey on a Thunderbolt with that Leica L1 choke ring antenna. Might just be luck of the draw, but lat and lon were under 1 inch error. Alt was off by 1.25 feet. I'm impressed... The Leica AT303 L1/L2 choke ring antenna was around 5 inches error lat/lon, 1 foot alt

[time-nuts] Correction: HP 5373A on ExxY - good price

2009-09-09 Thread Francesco Ledda
Sorry, it is a 5373A!It is not mine. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Francesco Ledda Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:50 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] HP 8753A on Ex

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5061 chassis parts

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Carlson
Chuck, Sorry to hear you're closing down, after all these years. Drop me a line some time and we can talk. Dave Carlson (formerly HP, then Agilent) - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 19:38 Subject: [time-nuts] HP 5061 chassis parts As some of you alrea

Re: [time-nuts] 5071A tube EEPROM and tube data

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Carlson
Corby, "The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to" Actually, no. Glass ampoule inside the oven, surrounded by the wicking material. Last step in the process of starting up a new tube is to use a metal pin fired into the glass ampoule, similar to firing a small car

[time-nuts] HP 8753A on ExxY - good price

2009-09-09 Thread Francesco Ledda
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Re: [time-nuts] HP 5071A Electron Multiplier of Cesium Beam Tube

2009-09-09 Thread John Miles
> That's an interesting answer. Can you explain what you mean by > "faster digital noise analysis capabilities"? The 3048A is relatively cumbersome to use, compared to a modern phase-noise test set with high dynamic range ADCs. Conceptually, a software radio with multiple ADC channels

Re: [time-nuts] HP E2050A LAN/HPIB Gateway

2009-09-09 Thread Matt Ettus
You can get it from our anonymous svn repo by doing this: svn co https://ettus.devguard.com/svn/public Matt On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Chad Simpson wrote: > Matt, I would be very interested in the python code.  I got a good deal on > the E2050A, and though I haven't set it up yet, I ima