Re: [time-nuts] A real world project need for timing accuracy...

2010-11-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I have indeed seen people try to do this with 18 ~ 24 aperture optics. They don't seem to do a lot better than the smaller stuff spotting holes at distance. They do get a nice bright image though. Bob On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:15 AM, jimlux wrote: Robert Darlington wrote: Hi Jim, This

Re: [time-nuts] A real world project need for timing accuracy...

2010-11-03 Thread jimlux
Bob Camp wrote: Hi I have indeed seen people try to do this with 18 ~ 24 aperture optics. They don't seem to do a lot better than the smaller stuff spotting holes at distance. They do get a nice bright image though. Bob Yeah, at that size, the atmospheric propagation issues are probably

Re: [time-nuts] A real world project need for timing accuracy...

2010-11-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:12 AM, jimlux wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi I have indeed seen people try to do this with 18 ~ 24 aperture optics. They don't seem to do a lot better than the smaller stuff spotting holes at distance. They do get a nice bright image though. Bob Yeah, at that size,

Re: [time-nuts] A real world project need for timing accuracy...

2010-11-03 Thread jimlux
Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:12 AM, jimlux wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi I have indeed seen people try to do this with 18 ~ 24 aperture optics. They don't seem to do a lot better than the smaller stuff spotting holes at distance. They do get a nice bright image though. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] A real world project need for timing accuracy...

2010-11-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:53 AM, jimlux wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:12 AM, jimlux wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi I have indeed seen people try to do this with 18 ~ 24 aperture optics. They don't seem to do a lot better than the smaller stuff spotting holes at distance.

[time-nuts] Endace TDS 24 unit anyone?

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Sack
Hello Time-Nuts: Has anyone used a Endace TDS 24 unit before? I have someone who has one but we have no user manual. Any pointers? And what is IRIG-B output suppose to look like...this unit seems to give off two distinct outputsone is a 3.3V to 1.5V sweep, the other is just a 3.3V pulse (I

Re: [time-nuts] Endace TDS 24 unit anyone?

2010-11-03 Thread Hal Murray
And what is IRIG-B output suppose to look like...this unit seems to give off two distinct outputsone is a 3.3V to 1.5V sweep, the other is just a 3.3V pulse (I assume that 1PPS). The wiki page on IRIG has the basics. I expect you are seeing a 1 KHz signal that's AM modulated at 1 bit

[time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Michael Baker
Timenutters-- The question was asked-- Why can't a large aperture high-resolution optic be used to locate bullet holes in a target at 800 yards? Consider this--: I often shoot at targets on the 600 yard berm at the Manatee Range (near Bradenton, FL). Typically, by 11AM the

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread John Miles
My first chore is to investigate what kind of pulse rise-times I get from a selection of inexpensive ultrasonic sensors when a supersonic bullet passes within a couple of feet from them. I have a Tek 2252 scope that I can place downrange to look at the sensors with but

Re: [time-nuts] Endace TDS 24 unit anyone?

2010-11-03 Thread jimlux
Alexander Sack wrote: Hello Time-Nuts: Has anyone used a Endace TDS 24 unit before? I have someone who has one but we have no user manual. Any pointers? And what is IRIG-B output suppose to look like...this unit seems to give off two distinct outputsone is a 3.3V to 1.5V sweep, the other

Re: [time-nuts] Endace TDS 24 unit anyone?

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:08 PM, jimlux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Alexander Sack wrote: Hello Time-Nuts: Has anyone used a Endace TDS 24 unit before?  I have someone who has one but we have no user manual.  Any pointers? And what is IRIG-B output suppose to look like...this unit seems to

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread David McClain
How about a rubber-mirror, adaptive optics? We use this on our large telescopes to overcome the atmospheric scintillation, otherwise known as speckle-patterns. Works exceedingly well... Atmospheric turbulence can be described by a Kolmogorov distribution, or equivalently as a chaotic

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
Group, I haven't been following this thread that won't die, but I've contributed to others :^) If the problem is that it is expensive to detect when a bullet hits a target half a mile away, then have I got a solution for you! Visit any friendly neighborhood terrorist supply store and buy a

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
Actually, some old dynamite that is leaking an oily liquid is a sure-fire way to get a flash. Just don't drop it. -Original Message- From: Bill Hawkins [mailto:b...@iaxs.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 4:39 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread William H. Fite
Nitrogen triiodide is safer, cheaper, and you can make it yourself. Put on the target wet, hang it while still wet, let it dry... On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net wrote: Actually, some old dynamite that is leaking an oily liquid is a sure-fire way to get a flash.

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi After each shot you need to haul a new batch down range. How many trips do you think you would make successfully ... I know, this is going to tie it all back into the dreaded time of death thread ... yikes ... did I do that Bob On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:55 PM, William H. Fite wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 11/03/2010 05:55:16 PM: From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: 11/03/2010 05:55 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Roughly speaking, you know the distance to 0.1%. If the electronics are good to 0.01% they aren't going to contribute a significant amount of error. A fairly modest bare crystal will do quite nicely for the time base. No need to go any further. If you want to go time-nutty, put in a cell

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread William H. Fite
Yep. Makes life interesting. [?] On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Joseph M Gwinn gw...@raytheon.com wrote: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 11/03/2010 05:55:16 PM: From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

[time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread William H. Fite
Anyone know a source for WECO 439A/440A connectors and adapters? Optimist that I am, I thought they would be easy to find. Coping with an HP 3336B. Thanks for any help you can offer. Bill ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Mike Feher
Well, I really have not contributed much if anything to this thread, and this will be no exception. However, it does remind me of my youth and specifically of some of my non electronics related activities. Of course, what I am about to disclose below, today would label me a terrorist. In the late

Re: [time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread paul swed
They are indeed very rare these days. My luck has been at ham fests and they are used also on the HP 3586 selective level voltmeters. Think I found them also at the local MIT flea market. But Fleas for this year are pretty much over. If they are around they are buried in the bottom of boxes and

Re: [time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread W4wj
I found some on theBay 73, Don, W4WJ In a message dated 11/3/2010 5:42:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: They are indeed very rare these days. My luck has been at ham fests and they are used also on the HP 3586 selective level voltmeters. Think I found them

[time-nuts] Z12 programs

2010-11-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow Time-nuts, What Z12 programs are you using or know of? I'm curious if there is something useful out there. I know of a bunch of minor Ashtech tools, and then their larger commercial stuff. Naturally the TEQC (no source!) and then SHARC. What should I know off and play with? Cheers,

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Stan, W1LE
On 11/3/2010 5:40 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Actually, some old dynamite that is leaking an oily liquid is a sure-fire way to get a flash. Just don't drop it. And be sure to wear gloves to prevent direct skin absorption of the nitro (usually not mentioned on the MSDS.) Other wise you may

Re: [time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 03/11/2010 22:27:15 GMT Standard Time, omni...@gmail.com writes: Anyone know a source for WECO 439A/440A connectors and adapters? Optimist that I am, I thought they would be easy to find. Coping with an HP 3336B. Thanks for any help you can offer.

Re: [time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread Stan, W1LE
Easier to cope with a female BNC, change it out. Trompeter has adapters from the male WECO to BNC. Long term solutions is to change it out to a BNC (female). Did I mention it is easier to change it out Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 11/3/2010 6:27 PM, William H. Fite wrote: Anyone know a

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread Michael Conlen
There's always nitroglycerin. I've heard it reacts well to vibration. -- Mike On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:55 PM, William H. Fite wrote: Nitrogen triiodide is safer, cheaper, and you can make it yourself. Put on the target wet, hang it while still wet, let it dry... On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801 Life time

2010-11-03 Thread ernieperes
Hi Time nuts, Just recently started my Z3801 in my new location and noticed the following discrepancy The unit is running more then 145 Hrs from the new start up.and the life time display from the starting time just shows 48 digit more time..in other words: started at life time

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801 Life time

2010-11-03 Thread Doug LeVan
I can't find it in the manual but I read somewhere that each tic of the lifetime counter is 3 hours. Doug K8ZN -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of erniepe...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:23 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801 Life time

2010-11-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It is in odd units. It's also sort of a meaningless number. There is no obvious wear out mechanism in a Z3801. If anything they should get better the longer they are on power. Bob On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:22 PM, erniepe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Time nuts, Just recently started my Z3801 in

Re: [time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread William H. Fite
1. I found WECO adapters on eBay. 2. I have the case open to change out the WECO to BNC Thanks, all On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Easier to cope with a female BNC, change it out. Trompeter has adapters from the male WECO to BNC. Long term

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801 Life time

2010-11-03 Thread Rex
I never saw the original message because, apparently, it was off-topic posted in one of the noisy threads I was deleting. But anyway... From the similar GPS 58503B manual: :DIAGnostic:LIFetime:COUNt? RESPONSE Returns the lifetime count, indicating the total powered-on time. Range of the

Re: [time-nuts] Why .30 cal holes can't be seen at 800 yds...

2010-11-03 Thread jimlux
Michael Conlen wrote: There's always nitroglycerin. I've heard it reacts well to vibration. nitromethane is much more readily available and also shock sensitive. Cyanoacrylate debonder. or glowplug fuel ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] WECO aren't hard to find

2010-11-03 Thread Flemming Larsen
I have purchased WECO to BNC adapters from:     www.milestek.com -- FL --- Den ons 3/11/10 skrev William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com: Fra: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com Emne: [time-nuts] Yikes, WECO is hard to find Til: Help me find some connectors? time-nuts@febo.com Dato: onsdag 3. november