Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/19/2010 05:13 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi In the case of a $200 5370, you have to wait a while to find one. When you get it, you likely have to do some work to get it running. At the very least you will need to do a cal. My guess is that a counter project would be very similar. There is an

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/19/2010 05:44 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: This is a marine navigation unit sold under West Marine's own brand name.It looks modern and automated. Has functions on it like anchor drift alarm Where you fix your location then set a radius and if the unit moves outside the radius it beeps

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/19/2010 09:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message28e8c13c-3227-4cd6-bbea-902f03c81...@gmail.com, bownes writes: One of the big problems with PC-instruments is isolation: most of them havn't any. If you are going to design one such, remember to isolate the USB port galvanically from

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Javier Herrero
Hello El 19/12/2010 11:13, Magnus Danielson escribió: To achieve meaningful isolation, it should be optical. Transformer isolation has a few issues to get right... What about digital isolators, lile ISO7220, ADuM1200 and so? Regards, Javier --

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/19/2010 11:47 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: Hello El 19/12/2010 11:13, Magnus Danielson escribió: To achieve meaningful isolation, it should be optical. Transformer isolation has a few issues to get right... What about digital isolators, lile ISO7220, ADuM1200 and so? Need to look at

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Javier Herrero
El 19/12/2010 12:34, Magnus Danielson escribió: Need to look at it. But essentially, during normal operation common mode isolation isn't all that hard. The problem is that during failure mode can what should be a common mode voltage and current become diffrential mode, which jumps straight

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Canada took theirs down in August, 2010. J. L. Trantham wrote: The Canadian LORAN chains were operating after the US shut theirs down. When I was flying my plane north of North Carolina, I could pick up the Canadian chains and my old Northstar M2 LORAN/GPS would be fully functional. However,

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread jimlux
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/19/2010 05:13 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi In the case of a $200 5370, you have to wait a while to find one. When you get it, you likely have to do some work to get it running. At the very least you will need to do a cal. My guess is that a counter project would be

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-19 Thread paul swed
LORAN -A,C are all dead in north america. I think you have a boat anchor. Pun intended. The LORAN As never had a keypad because they were analog. As I recall they also used a twinax connector. I dealt with a LORAN A on the NAVY ships in 1973, transitioned to OMEGA (Long dead) and the LORAN C

Re: [time-nuts] Loran DX and Austron 2100

2010-12-19 Thread paul swed
Did look for LORAN C chains last night simple dumb setup. HP 3586 to 80 meter vertical and pretty good ground plane. Heard not a thing from Boston even at -120 db. (I did hear general crud) Do wonder with all of these little cpfl lights and their nasty switchers if the noise floors is up. Will try

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread jimlux
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 19.12.2010 05:52, schrieb Bob Camp: The real thing you would learn about is writing code that runs an FPGA. Yes. A good starting point would be a Xilinx SP605 kit. It's about the $750 for a decent 5370 and includes many points from Bobs option list. The other

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread jimlux
Bob Camp wrote: Hi Which is why a simple / cheap opto isolated RS-232 connected to a USB dongle makes a lot of sense. Bob There are some nice solutions, though, using USB directly, which has the advantage of providing a few watts of power. Isolated DC/DC converters are readily

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4d0e3080.1060...@earthlink.net, jimlux writes: Bob Camp wrote: There are some nice solutions, though, using USB directly, which has the advantage of providing a few watts of power. Isolated DC/DC converters are readily available. you might be able to do transformer isolation of

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-19 Thread J. Forster
There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. They are BOTH acronyms. -John = There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain he meant Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... But then, you already knew that, and were just

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes. It can if done wrong. The correct way to use USB is to make your USB device class compliant for some class. Then most OSes (and with recent releases even MS Windows) will have built-in drivers for each class of USB device. Never buy or design a USB device that requires the user to instal

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My bag full of useless adapters were indeed class compliant back in the day. Not so any more under the new approach to signed drivers. Bob On Dec 19, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Yes. It can if done wrong. The correct way to use USB is to make your USB device class

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread bownes
That's kinda my point about using rs232. Serial to USB, serial to Ethernet adaptors will be available for a good long while. Also why I like the idea of a standalone instrument that also has a pc interface of some sort. Or a slot for a pc interface of whatever source I want. So how does

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My bag full of useless adapters were indeed class compliant back in the day. Not so any more under the new approach to signed drivers. Bob On Dec 19, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Yes.  It can if done wrong.

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My bag full of useless adapters were indeed class compliant back in the day. Not so any more under the new approach to signed drivers. If they were Class Compliant they do not need drivers. = Chris Albertson Redondo

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Elio Corbolante
From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com Yes. It can if done wrong. The correct way to use USB is to make your USB device class compliant for some class. Then most OSes (and with recent releases even MS Windows) will have built-in drivers for each class of USB device. Never buy

[time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Mark Sims
A much simpler solution is to dedicate a $20 obsolete laptop to the Tbolt.  I use a 200 MHz Compaq Armada with 1024x768 screen.  I have also run Heather on a 90 MHz Fujitsu Milan with a 640x480 passive matrix screen.   For bonus points,  tap off the internal laptop CDROM power connections (and

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Ho Ho Ho, Tis the season once again for giving and I wrote this up to give some suggestions to the discussion. The PICTIC II was a spin-off of a GPSDO front end designed specifically for low cost, low parts count, amateur construction, and 1ns resolution to equal the performance of a modern GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Joseph Gray
Mark, You might look at this hardware: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia%26%23153%3B+-+Infocast+3.5%22+Internet+Media+Display/1152881.p?skuId=1152881ci_src=14110944ci_sku=1152881ref=06cmp=RMXloc=01id=1218226456157 It is based on the Chumby One design and Best Buy has had it on sale for $50

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Joseph Gray
One more link that shows the teardown of a Chumby One: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/chumby-one-Teardown/1614/1 As I mentioned, the Insignia circuit board is slightly different. The overall configuration of the unit is very similar. The Insignia is actually easier to open than the Chumby. Joe

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Chris Caudle
On Sun, December 19, 2010 3:36 pm, Bob Camp wrote: My bag full of useless adapters were indeed class compliant back in the day. Not so any more under the new approach to signed drivers. The problem with USB-RS232 adapters is that there is no class compliant device, because there is no USB class

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Elio Corbolante
From: Mark Sims: A much simpler solution is to dedicate a $20 obsolete laptop to the Tbolt. I use a 200 MHz Compaq Armada with 1024x768 screen. I have also run Heather on a 90 MHz Fujitsu Milan with a 640x480 passive matrix screen. For bonus points, tap off the internal laptop CDROM power

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendation

2010-12-19 Thread Elio Corbolante
From: Chris Caudle The problem with USB-RS232 adapters is that there is no class compliant device, because there is no USB class for RS232 emulators. Doesn't exist, so every device you've ever seen or used is a custom USB device. The drivers for the FTDI devices ship with modern variants