[time-nuts] External 10811 from HP 5070B

2011-02-01 Thread Perry Sandeen
List, Wrote: So what’s in the 5370B would just be for 'does it work or not' when not running externally. There are at least three advantages for external operation. 1. The HP turkeys didn’t make EFC available on the HP 5370B which totally baffles me. 2. There are better lower nois

Re: [time-nuts] R&S XSRM Rubidium

2011-02-01 Thread paul swed
Ordered a small heat gun today. Has 2 temperatures and I am sure the low is going to be more then enough. I plan to mount the RB lamp upside down so the heat from the gun goes upward. The operating temperature normally is about 177 degrees F. So will add in a K thermocouple to monitor temp and then

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-01 Thread lists
You left out IBOC, especially IBOC on AM at night. The FCC brass has zero technical knowledge. -Original Message- From: x...@darksmile.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:17:40 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement; William H. Fite Reply-

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread xaos
It is not cynicism if it is the truth. The previous head of the FCC was none other than the son of Gen. Colin Powell: Michael K. Powell. The same Powell who allowed Verizon (and other telco's) to stop sharing their lines and as a result made the price of DSL skyrocket. The Powell who pushed for

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread William H. Fite
Truly impressive level of cynicism... On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > They did exactly the same thing in the past. It's not the current > administration. FCC commissioners are appointed to FIVE YEAR TERMS. > Remember the BPL proposals and the way the FCC granted that

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread Chris Albertson
They did exactly the same thing in the past. It's not the current administration. FCC commissioners are appointed to FIVE YEAR TERMS. Remember the BPL proposals and the way the FCC granted that and that ARRL had to sue. The FCC has always voted this way. BPL was yet another internet broad band

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread Alan Melia
No Problem Bert its nothing to what my friends call be sometimes :-)) Glad you got the data. This is a great group for help! Alan - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150 > Sorry Alan for misspelling your name. Bert

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread Don Latham
The FCC is a lackey of the present administration, which has a desire to show movement re broadband internet for all. The broadcast/telecom/communications industry is bypassing real competition by simply getting the government to do by fiat what competition would do at less cost and more utility.

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-01 Thread WB6BNQ
Joe, The only thing they are worth is a 6 inch linear accelerator. 73BillWB6BNQ Joseph Gray wrote: Reading the article, it sure smells like something is going on and it doesn't smell good. What's the going price for an FCC official, a Congressman, Senator

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread Joseph Gray
Reading the article, it sure smells like something is going on and it doesn't smell good. What's the going price for an FCC official, a Congressman, Senator, etc.? Joe Gray W5JG On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/data-shows-disastro

[time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the go ahead

2011-02-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
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Re: [time-nuts] 5370B s/n prefixes

2011-02-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
I was thinking of putting it in its own box etc. But can easily envision running a coax back to the yet-to-be-built distribution amp. -pete On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM, wrote: > Why not just use the output from the 5370B - it already has the support > circuitry and a buffered output. > >

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B s/n prefixes

2011-02-01 Thread scmcgrath
Why not just use the output from the 5370B - it already has the support circuitry and a buffered output. Back in my pre-time nut days my 5345 was both counter and lab reference standard the 10.mhz output went to a D/A so all my instruments were referenced to the 10811 in the 5345 Scott Sent f

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread EWKehren
Sorry Alan for misspelling your name. Bert In a message dated 2/1/2011 4:06:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, alan.me...@btinternet.com writes: Hi Bert it is around I have a 1MHz version so I got the sheet from somewhere. I am just doing a sweep of my machine...it may be on an old disc..my f

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread EWKehren
Thank you Allen, I think I have enough. Unless there are some more Allan Variance plots. Every thing else is well covered. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/1/2011 4:06:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, alan.me...@btinternet.com writes: Hi Bert it is around I have a 1MHz version so I got the

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Bert it is around I have a 1MHz version so I got the sheet from somewhere. I am just doing a sweep of my machine...it may be on an old disc..my filing system is "chaotic" to say the least!..if the worst comes to the worst and nobody else comes up with it I can always rescan the paper print I hav

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B s/n prefixes

2011-02-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
this being my first working 10811, I'd like to play with it. Since I'm setting up the benches to use the eventually distributed output from a T'bolt. I'm thinking of playing with it on its own and run the 5370B externally. Hopefully not to bad of an idea. So whats in the 5370B would just be for 'do

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B s/n prefixes

2011-02-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
One option was an ECL gate oscillator with a crstal in a T05 sized can. TTL output oscillators of that era had too much jitter to be useful even for short time intervals. Bruce Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi, 10811 was standard. A basic (I think just a TTL "can") was an option. This was for users

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread EWKehren
Arthur I have the both, the screwdriver adjust only will probably make a good offset for the Dual Mixer. I just checked one, it tunes 3 Hz down and 1.5 Hz up In a message dated 2/1/2011 9:39:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, golgarfrinc...@yahoo.com writes: "Does any one have information

[time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread Arthur Dent
"Does any one have information on the Austron 1150 oscillator?" I have seen 2 different variations of this oscillator. There is one that was used in the 1210D standard that has a BNC connector besides the 9-pin connector and this unit has EFC input on the 9-pin connector. The second does not have

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions

2011-02-01 Thread John Miles
> Whilst the close in phase noise of the ADC used in the TSC5115 may be > comparable with that of a 74AC04 the phase noise floor of such ADCs is > degraded when clocked by a 74AC04... > In particular such ADCs have been be used to measure the jitter of > various logic families by using devices fro

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions

2011-02-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Another way to filp that around is that the same ADC's begin to degrade if the broadband phase noise isn't at least in the 150's. With an 18 db penalty for multiplying, that puts you into the 170's for phase noise out of the TBolt. Even if the TBolt OCXO is that good (doubtful) building a mu

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B s/n prefixes

2011-02-01 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, 10811 was standard. A basic (I think just a TTL "can") was an option. This was for users with external standards.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Mon, 31/1/11, Pete Lancashire wrote: From: Pete Lancashire Subject: [time-nuts] 5370B s/n prefixes To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measure

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread ew
Thanks Bruce, how is the Dual Mixer/Counter doing I am releasing the hopefully last version? Any input would be appreciated. Bert -Original Message- From: Bruce Griffiths To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:42 am Subject: Re: [time-nut

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Does any one have information on the Austron 1150 oscillator? I am considering using it as an offset oscillator for a dual mixer so Allan Deviation, aging and temperature stability would be of help. Thank you BertKehren __

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Does any one have information on the Austron 1150 oscillator? I am considering using it as an offset oscillator for a dual mixer so Allan Deviation, aging and temperature stability would be of help. Thank you BertKehren ___

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions

2011-02-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Whilst the close in phase noise of the ADC used in the TSC5115 may be comparable with that of a 74AC04 the phase noise floor of such ADCs is degraded when clocked by a 74AC04: http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/seminars_webcasts/High%20Speed%20System%20Applications%20%28PDF%29/HS%20Sys

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions

2011-02-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 31.01.2011 22:48, schrieb dave powis: Hi Chris, Yes, of course the multiplication plan is a little different, but in the circuit I linked the basic multiplier is a doubler from 10 to 20MHz, that produces a comb of 2f products. The design as presented has BPF's to s

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions

2011-02-01 Thread John Miles
> > Before one can conclude such a solution is adequate one needs to know > the ADC requirements for clock jitter. > If the ADC is a high resolution pipelined ADC like those available from > AD and LTC then such a solution will degrade the performance > significantly. > These ADCs require clock cy

[time-nuts] Austron 1150

2011-02-01 Thread EWKehren
Does any one have information on the Austron 1150 oscillator? I am considering using it as an offset oscillator for a dual mixer so Allan Deviation, aging and temperature stability would be of help. Thank you BertKehren ___ time-nuts mail

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 80MHz frequency multiplier suggestions

2011-02-01 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 31.01.2011 22:48, schrieb dave powis: Hi Chris, Yes, of course the multiplication plan is a little different, but in the circuit I linked the basic multiplier is a doubler from 10 to 20MHz, that produces a comb of 2f products. The design as presented has BPF's to select the 5th harmonic, a