[time-nuts] LightSquared testing

2011-05-15 Thread lists
Testing of new wireless network could cause GPS outages ED ANDRIESKI / AP By Karoun Demirjian, Steve Kanigher Sat, May 14, 2011 (9:09 p.m.) A warning for night drivers: If your GPS navigator gives out on you this week, don’t despair. What you’re experiencing is only a test of the emerging

Re: [time-nuts] Limitations of Allan Variance applied to frequency divided signal?

2011-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Fred, On 05/14/2011 01:02 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Notice that the pre-scaler is only used for higher frequencies. Understood. I was just using the prescaler as an example for the what if if take every Nth edge. Consider then the typical measurement setup: A

Re: [time-nuts] Continuous timestamping reciprocal counter question

2011-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Fred, On 05/14/2011 03:42 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: There are many things you can get away with, just how much trouble you want to verify it versus doing the proper thing is another issue. Define proper thing. ;-) From what I understand taking the exact Nth edge, and

[time-nuts] LightSquared testing

2011-05-15 Thread Joe Leikhim
I love these corporate PR statements. They bring out the American flag, Mom and apple pie when it is really all about The Benjamins! LightSquared, which didn?t return calls for comment Saturday, says on its website that it is simply taking steps to fulfill President Barack Obama?s dream of a

[time-nuts] Win 7 and Thunderbolt

2011-05-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I replaced a 2.22 version Thunderbolt with a 3.0 version and Windows 7 Pro 64 bit went nuts. After some Googling it became apparent that some bagbiter MS software was interrogating the serial ports looking for a serial ballpoint pointer. Windows started hallucinating as it tried to parse GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Win 7 and Thunderbolt

2011-05-15 Thread Michael Perrett
I went a different route - I bought a multiport serial card (PCIE RS232C) and have a dedicated, unique, serial port for the Tbolt. I put it on COM 15, which did not even exist prior to the addition and have had no conflicts since. Just added /15 to the .exe command line. PC: Home made I7-875 CPU

Re: [time-nuts] Limitations of Allan Variance applied to frequency divided signal?

2011-05-15 Thread Tijd Dingen
Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: Notice that the pre-scaler is only used for higher frequencies. Understood. I was just using the prescaler as an example for the what if if take every Nth edge. Consider then the typical measurement setup: A counter is set up to make a time interval

Re: [time-nuts] Win 7 and Thunderbolt

2011-05-15 Thread Javier Herrero
Hi, It seems a Microsoft fixation that anything that puts streams on the serial port is a Microsoft Serial Ballpoint (I bet you've never seen one) since any version I remember. I don't think that the application version makes any difference. If the application has open the port before the

Re: [time-nuts] Continuous timestamping reciprocal counter question

2011-05-15 Thread Tijd Dingen
Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: There are many things you can get away with, just how much trouble you want to verify it versus doing the proper thing is another issue. Define proper thing. ;-) From what I understand taking the exact Nth edge, and then do linear regression is equivalent

[time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread iov...@inwind.it
Hi all, does anybody out there have any ideas as where to find a 32859Hz crystal (1/2 that value would be better) to be used to replace 32768 crystals in ordinary clocks? I think that 32768 crystals cannot be dragged that much. I've already read the JimLux article somewhere on the web, but I

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread cook michael
Le 15/05/2011 23:22, iov...@inwind.it a écrit : Hi all, does anybody out there have any ideas as where to find a 32859Hz crystal (1/2 that value would be better) to be used to replace 32768 crystals in ordinary clocks? I don't think this will work as the divider chain will give wrong length

Re: [time-nuts] Limitations of Allan Variance applied to frequency divided signal?

2011-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Fred, On 05/15/2011 10:01 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: Check. That is what I understood the Overlapped variable tau estimators bit on wikipedia to be about. Same raw data, smarter processing. Indeed. Notice that you need to adjust your data for cycle-slips. If you don't do that you will get

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/15/11 2:22 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote: Hi all, does anybody out there have any ideas as where to find a 32859Hz crystal (1/2 that value would be better) to be used to replace 32768 crystals in ordinary clocks? I think that 32768 crystals cannot be dragged that much. I've already read the

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Antonio: Another way to do it is to use any common crystal (10 MHz would have advantages) and a small PIC micro controller to generate the sidereal * 2^15 frequency. Note this can be done to very high precision. http://www.prc68.com/I/PIC16F88.shtml#PIT Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] Continuous timestamping reciprocal counter question

2011-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Fred, On 05/15/2011 10:55 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: Well, you always have the corner-case where numerical precision and near same frequency beating comes into play, so what will help and what will reduce your precision becomes a little fuzzy to say in

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread iov...@inwind.it
jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 5/15/11 2:22 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote: Hi all, does anybody out there have any ideas as where to find a 32859Hz crystal (1/2 that value would be better) to be used to replace 32768 crystals in ordinary clocks? I think that 32768 crystals cannot be dragged

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/16/2011 12:01 AM, iov...@inwind.it wrote: I think you're right that you can't drag a 32768 crystal down by one part in 365. Maybe you could do it by opening the can and putting some mass on the crystal resonator? Some mass should be removed, not added. I was considering this

[time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread W2HX
Hi there. Recently acquired my first GPSDO. It is a datum 9390 (thank you, Norm!). One aspect of its behavior seems strange to me. Within a matter of a few minutes, it seems that satellites are appearing and disappearing. Are the satellites moving that quickly? I might go from 1SV to 3SV or

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread paul swed
Shouldn't be doing it that fast Would indicate a poor signal level might be my guess. Is your antenna above the tree line? Wet leaves can be nasty at 1.5 Ghz Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 6:30 PM, W2HX w...@w2hx.com wrote: Hi there. Recently acquired my first GPSDO. It is a datum

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread W2HX
Hi Paul. No, the antenna is not above the tree line. Leaves are wet today, but on dry days similar. Curious: the unit puts out 5V to the antenna. If this is 4.7 or lower, could this affect the degree of amplification the amp built into the antenna might develop? Should I find the power supply

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread J. Forster
Hi Gene, Unlikely. Leaves, wet or dry, are a killer. Get a longer pole for the antenna. -John == Hi Paul. No, the antenna is not above the tree line. Leaves are wet today, but on dry days similar. Curious: the unit puts out 5V to the antenna. If this is 4.7 or lower, could

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread W2HX
Rats. 73 Eugene W2HX -Original Message- From: J. Forster [mailto:j...@quik.com] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:23 PM To: Eugene Hertz; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: 'paul swed' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites Hi Gene, Unlikely.

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:07 PM, W2HX w...@w2hx.com wrote: Hi Paul.  No, the antenna is not above the tree line. How much of the sky is visible? if you can't see blue the antenna can't see the satellites. Ok some very minor tree coverage is Ok maybe but mostly you need a clear view of the sky.

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread J. Forster
Depending on your QTH, you might only need 10' or so or a chain saw. -John On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 5:07 PM, W2HX w...@w2hx.com wrote: Hi Paul.  No, the antenna is not above the tree line. How much of the sky is visible? if you can't see blue the antenna can't see the

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread Scott Mace
What type of coax are you using and how long is the run? I live in the woods and my antenna is partially blocked by trees to the north and east and have never had problems. I have about 130ft of LMR-400 between my antenna and splitter. Scott On 05/15/2011 05:30 PM, W2HX wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread W2HX
Length is about 12', type is RG-58, antenna is at my window pointing to a some blue sky (no splitter). I think from the emails from the folks on the list, before anything, I need to find a better location for the antenna. Thanks for the reply 73 Eugene W2HX -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread Mike Feher
Gene - My main GPS antenna is mounted in the middle of the peak of my Colonial style house. I do not know if you noticed it when you were here. It has been up there about 9 years with no problems. 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Eugene, I will presume from your call sign that you are North of the equator. Thus you would want to have the best visibility (i.e., clear) pointing to the South. The fact that you are at the window, on the inside, does limit the amount of sky you can see. Just getting it on the roof will

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread paul swed
12' of rg 58 should be fine and 5-3.7V should work In the thread it says this is using a window. Boy some windows actually can block the signal especially if there is a screen. Some one else said you need a view to the south. Thats a fact from ma. at least interesting to watch the sat tracks. I

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-15 Thread WB6BNQ
Paul, If you had read more carefully what I wrote you would see that I said better coax WHEN HE PUTS IT OUTSIDE. thank you, BillWB6BNQ paul swed wrote: 12' of rg 58 should be fine and 5-3.7V should work In the thread it says this is using a window. Boy some windows actually can block

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread Hal Murray
does anybody out there have any ideas as where to find a 32859Hz crystal (1/ 2 that value would be better) to be used to replace 32768 crystals in ordinary clocks? I think that 32768 crystals cannot be dragged that much. I've already read the JimLux article somewhere on the web, but I